Radar Climb
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Radar Climb
Hello guys
that's my first topic to ask about something on pprune
I am an aviation enthusiast from Egypt and lives around 2NM from RWY 05L at Cairo
I usually listen to Cairo Director frequency 119.050
and hear the controllers tell the pilots xxxx,turn Right heading 120 Climb FL110 Radar Climb
what does the expression (Radar Climb) Means ????
I have tried to search document 4444 ? but found nothing regarding this expression :S
thanks for your help
that's my first topic to ask about something on pprune
I am an aviation enthusiast from Egypt and lives around 2NM from RWY 05L at Cairo
I usually listen to Cairo Director frequency 119.050
and hear the controllers tell the pilots xxxx,turn Right heading 120 Climb FL110 Radar Climb
what does the expression (Radar Climb) Means ????
I have tried to search document 4444 ? but found nothing regarding this expression :S
thanks for your help
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From: Standby...call you back..
Hi,
for me that's the egyptian shortcut to say...Radar contact and climb to...
anyway, pilots know that they're in a controlled airspace and this is confirmed by the controller..having spotted the traffic on their screen..
for me that's the egyptian shortcut to say...Radar contact and climb to...
anyway, pilots know that they're in a controlled airspace and this is confirmed by the controller..having spotted the traffic on their screen..
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From: There !
WooW nice comment the Egyptian Shortcut 
Egyptian ATCs are making a new ATM 4444 Document or what ?
By the way they do say Radar contact it comes that way :
MSR738,Director,Radar Contact,Climb FL110 Turn Right Heading 120 Radar Climb
Egyptian ATCs are making a new ATM 4444 Document or what ?
By the way they do say Radar contact it comes that way :
MSR738,Director,Radar Contact,Climb FL110 Turn Right Heading 120 Radar Climb
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Originally Posted by Bataleur39
"Radar identified" {Normally this OK but on 1st contact without using any identification technique?}
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Radar climb means that Cairo director (sector responsible for departures and arrivals) has you under radar contact and is directing you to climb to whatever altitude with a heading that is away from from your filed flight plan and /or course and this climb will be commenced under radar vectors rather than on your intended course..
Sometimes this happens because of excessive arrivals or departures..
hope this helps.
Sometimes this happens because of excessive arrivals or departures..
hope this helps.
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From: Muscat
non ICAO phrase "radar climb"
@ MSR001
so what you mean is:
the controller is actually just telling you proudly that there is more then one aircraft around and he is doing his bloody job, keeping them clear from each with his radar....
That phrase is unfortunately used here too by some controllers. That is just unprofessional and useless, it just means about nothing....
so what you mean is:
the controller is actually just telling you proudly that there is more then one aircraft around and he is doing his bloody job, keeping them clear from each with his radar....
That phrase is unfortunately used here too by some controllers. That is just unprofessional and useless, it just means about nothing....
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From: btw SAMAR and TOSPA
He vectors you away from your cleared SID
A more common phrase would
"Heading 120 radar vectors for continous climb"
However, according to ICAO 4444 it would require a destination point where the vector would interecept the cleared/filed route again. "Radar vectors to .... " This is often left out and can have desastrous consequences in case of comm failure in a mountaineous environment.
A more common phrase would
"Heading 120 radar vectors for continous climb"
However, according to ICAO 4444 it would require a destination point where the vector would interecept the cleared/filed route again. "Radar vectors to .... " This is often left out and can have desastrous consequences in case of comm failure in a mountaineous environment.
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I'm petty sure you can use "Radar Contact" AND "Identified" under ICAO, both are equally valid. T
They both have 4 syllables too, so by telling someone he is "radar contact", you aren't actually wasting your valuable airtime.
As it seemed to me, most of the aircraft that you speak to are expecting to hear "Radar Contact" and you will get quite a few queries from pilots if you don't say it.
When I first arrived in the Middle East, from anally retentive Australia, I said "Identified" only when I was actually identifying aircraft. The amount of questions from pilots saw me telling everyone RC on first contact to save lots of time and unnecessary R/T.
carkiller, thanks for that illuminating response...are you off your meds or having a bio-rythmic low?
MSR001 thanks for the reply, that explanation made sense to me.
They both have 4 syllables too, so by telling someone he is "radar contact", you aren't actually wasting your valuable airtime.
As it seemed to me, most of the aircraft that you speak to are expecting to hear "Radar Contact" and you will get quite a few queries from pilots if you don't say it.
When I first arrived in the Middle East, from anally retentive Australia, I said "Identified" only when I was actually identifying aircraft. The amount of questions from pilots saw me telling everyone RC on first contact to save lots of time and unnecessary R/T.
carkiller, thanks for that illuminating response...are you off your meds or having a bio-rythmic low?
MSR001 thanks for the reply, that explanation made sense to me.
