Ryanair to be given "preferential treatment" by SNN ATC
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Ryanair to be given "preferential treatment" by SNN ATC
Shock-horror-exclusive from the Irish Independent today.
http://www.independent.ie/national-n...l-1303673.html
It seems that Ryanair have arranged to obtain their ATC clearance PRIOR to start up! Well, for heavan's sake, how absolutely unfair and bullying is that?
Not only that but they are getting their DEPARTURE instructions prior to lining up. Goodness me, how bad is that?
And as for getting 'track miles' on contact with ATC on arrival, well how despicable and underhand is that? Bounders, all of them. Typical Ryanair bullying tactics. Shame on them.
Does this idiot McConnell really believe that what he has written here is worthy of even one square centimeter of paper? The man is a moron and as for 'exclusive', well, excuse me, but my breaking wind has more interest than his so-called journalism.
But then he is typical of his type so I suppose I should not be so surprised.
Sick and tired of the media and their obvious ignorance of all things aeronautic?
So am I.
http://www.independent.ie/national-n...l-1303673.html
It seems that Ryanair have arranged to obtain their ATC clearance PRIOR to start up! Well, for heavan's sake, how absolutely unfair and bullying is that?
Not only that but they are getting their DEPARTURE instructions prior to lining up. Goodness me, how bad is that?
And as for getting 'track miles' on contact with ATC on arrival, well how despicable and underhand is that? Bounders, all of them. Typical Ryanair bullying tactics. Shame on them.
Does this idiot McConnell really believe that what he has written here is worthy of even one square centimeter of paper? The man is a moron and as for 'exclusive', well, excuse me, but my breaking wind has more interest than his so-called journalism.
But then he is typical of his type so I suppose I should not be so surprised.
Sick and tired of the media and their obvious ignorance of all things aeronautic?
So am I.
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Psst! Does he know about calling for start up while on finals to land at a certain busy Spanish airfield? Yes, it worked
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Not only in spain, worked in munich too if they had one of those more than 1 hour startup delay queues in winter. Haven't tried it in 2 years now though due to the lack of a thorough winter.
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What a scoop 
but whatever you do don't investgate the rendition flights thru' SNN (alla diego garcia) cause we have 'assurances's' to !
and after all their might actually be a story there as opposed to a memo from 3 years ago
but whatever you do don't investgate the rendition flights thru' SNN (alla diego garcia) cause we have 'assurances's' to ! and after all their might actually be a story there as opposed to a memo from 3 years ago
Perhaps we should wait for when ATC gets privatised.
You can imagine the menu...."For atis press 1, for track miles to go press 2, for landing clearance press 3, to speak to one of our customer service agents please press 4 and stay on the line...and then "All our lines are busy but please stay on the line to talk to an agent - in the meantime here are details of our latest offers.....etc.
You can imagine the menu...."For atis press 1, for track miles to go press 2, for landing clearance press 3, to speak to one of our customer service agents please press 4 and stay on the line...and then "All our lines are busy but please stay on the line to talk to an agent - in the meantime here are details of our latest offers.....etc.
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An airline has to specifically request a procedure that reduces head-in time and distractions during taxi and also has to request a procedure to have the clearance delivered in time for it to be properly briefed and if necessary questioned / confirmed before entering the runway in use.
Why do such basic safe operating techniques have to be requested?
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Why do such basic safe operating techniques have to be requested?
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The 'procedures' sound very much like best practice, so a note asking controllers to do it for all airlines would get rid of any perceived preferential treatment.
An ATC authority has to specifically request a procedure whereby the harp adorned airline files the correct directional level for some of its incorrectly filed flights. This reduces ATCO 'head in strips' time, RT conversations about the actual correct directional level, telephone co-ordinations, and flight data inputs. The plans are updated for a short while but then revert back to being filed incorrectly.
Why do such basic safe operating techniques and compliance with IFR rules have to be requested ?
An airline has to specifically request a procedure that reduces head-in time and distractions during taxi and also has to request a procedure to have the clearance delivered in time for it to be properly briefed and if necessary questioned / confirmed before entering the runway in use.
Why do such basic safe operating techniques have to be requested?
Why do such basic safe operating techniques have to be requested?
Why do such basic safe operating techniques and compliance with IFR rules have to be requested ?
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whine air and eye yay yay cosy relationship
Eye yay yay comment '' someone is leaking selective material to paint an untrue picture''
This is a false statement. It could only be selective material if there was a selection of material to chose from. There was only one memo issued to control staff about operational preferences of airlines . That one memo pertaining to Whineair. It is incomprehensible that an airline and service provider can have such an exclusive relationship as to undermine and shaft airline competitors,one of which has given shannon airport and the mid west region no less than 50 years of loyal service and are essential to the economic growth of that region. I think that a thorough investigation of the eye yay yay and whineair relationship is imminent. It is a scandalous affair.
This is a false statement. It could only be selective material if there was a selection of material to chose from. There was only one memo issued to control staff about operational preferences of airlines . That one memo pertaining to Whineair. It is incomprehensible that an airline and service provider can have such an exclusive relationship as to undermine and shaft airline competitors,one of which has given shannon airport and the mid west region no less than 50 years of loyal service and are essential to the economic growth of that region. I think that a thorough investigation of the eye yay yay and whineair relationship is imminent. It is a scandalous affair.
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"Let me state very clearly, there is no cosy relationship with Ryanair. Someone is leaking selective material to paint an untrue picture. Any suggestion of a cosy relationship is total and utter nonsense."
Let's see.
1. IAA support rIAAnair in aftermath of very critical Dispatches and Prime Time TV programmes.
2. rIAAnair receive info from a source at the LRC talks (Guess who?)
3. rIAAnair get a letter from the IAA regarding the details of the dispute
4. rIAAnair come out and publicly support the IAA when ATCO's threatened to strike.
5. IAA did not EVER issue a similar memo for ANY OTHER AIRLINE.
6. IAA take rIAAnair's side in EVERY complaint made about the airline by a pilot or by Irish Airline Pilots Association or by BALPA.
Well, that just about sorts it then. IAA are right. No cozy relationship at all. Nothing to see. Move along there folks. Don't worry. Repeat, nothing to see.
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Hi everyone, ive recently got my fATPL and am doing an MCC/JOT on the 737. The reason im saying this is because i DONT have any affiliation with Ryanair at all but seems to me like whats suggested is a good idea?
Surely if you got departure clearences asap it gives more time to plan / brief...etc in whats already a busy environment? Also during my IFR training we were told to request track miles to plan for descent and indeed in my MCC training we've been told to request track miles to get a better picture about what to expect, ensure situational awareness and give a better brief?
It sounds like a good idea to me, am i missing something??
(ps-dont shoot me down, only putting my POV forward!)
Surely if you got departure clearences asap it gives more time to plan / brief...etc in whats already a busy environment? Also during my IFR training we were told to request track miles to plan for descent and indeed in my MCC training we've been told to request track miles to get a better picture about what to expect, ensure situational awareness and give a better brief?
It sounds like a good idea to me, am i missing something??
(ps-dont shoot me down, only putting my POV forward!)
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An airline has to specifically request a procedure that reduces head-in time and distractions during taxi and also has to request a procedure to have the clearance delivered in time for it to be properly briefed and if necessary questioned / confirmed before entering the runway in use.
Why do such basic safe operating techniques have to be requested?
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Why do such basic safe operating techniques have to be requested?
Regards,
DFC
It is SOP at Manchester [and AFAIK] ALL U.K. Airports to pass ATC "Clearance".......Standard Instrument Departure...[SID] and "Squawk"....... Secondary Surveillance Radar code....which identifies the aeroplane to ATC
That position is called [funnily enuff as "Clearance Delivery"........
And EVERY Aeroplane, whether Private, Corporate or indeed Airline gets the same level of service.
As for Appoach, again every aeroplane gets the same service...
Number in traffic......Track miles....
You know...the "PROFESSIONAL" approach to ATC
Crawl back into your shell, and read your "Muppets Book of ATC"
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To wiccan and others, the point of the opening post was to highlight the sheer idiocy of the author of the article in the Independent newspaper in trying to assert that what is standard practice in ATC/Airline operation was somehow seen as a unique and favorable arrangement with Ryanair. He, the so-called journalist, seemed to think that this piece of information was an 'exclusive' scoop.
It was a badly done and amateur botch of a completely non newsworthy event.
There is no need to pursue the item any further. Let it die a natural death!
It was a badly done and amateur botch of a completely non newsworthy event.
There is no need to pursue the item any further. Let it die a natural death!
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The Lowest of the low
There is no need to pursue the item any further. Let it die a natural death!
http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-nX6g148mA
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To wiccan and others, the point of the opening post was to highlight the sheer idiocy of the author of the article in the Independent newspaper
But looking at some of the "amateur/ATC experts" posting on here, I felt the need to expand
I have expanded, and the "amatuers, et al" have kept quiet
Hopefully, as you say. This is the end.
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Out of interest [full decode so that DFC can understand the following]
It is SOP at Manchester [and AFAIK] ALL U.K. Airports to pass ATC "Clearance".......Standard Instrument Departure...[SID] and "Squawk"....... Secondary Surveillance Radar code....which identifies the aeroplane to ATC
That position is called [funnily enuff as "Clearance Delivery"........
And EVERY Aeroplane, whether Private, Corporate or indeed Airline gets the same level of service.
As for Appoach, again every aeroplane gets the same service...
Number in traffic......Track miles....
You know...the "PROFESSIONAL" approach to ATC
Crawl back into your shell, and read your "Muppets Book of ATC"
It is SOP at Manchester [and AFAIK] ALL U.K. Airports to pass ATC "Clearance".......Standard Instrument Departure...[SID] and "Squawk"....... Secondary Surveillance Radar code....which identifies the aeroplane to ATC
That position is called [funnily enuff as "Clearance Delivery"........
And EVERY Aeroplane, whether Private, Corporate or indeed Airline gets the same level of service.
As for Appoach, again every aeroplane gets the same service...
Number in traffic......Track miles....
You know...the "PROFESSIONAL" approach to ATC
Crawl back into your shell, and read your "Muppets Book of ATC"
Some of us still operate from airports that do not for various reasons (often having to obtain a release from the ACC sector) pass the clearance until lined up.
There are safety issues with such operations which require special consideration.
Perhaps it was wrong to say;
An airline has to specifically request a procedure that reduces head-in time and distractions during taxi and also has to request a procedure to have the clearance delivered in time for it to be properly briefed and if necessary questioned / confirmed before entering the runway in use.
Why do such basic safe operating techniques have to be requested?
Why do such basic safe operating techniques have to be requested?
Why hasn't every safety concious airline operating at that location requested the same safety enhancing procedures?
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You don't actually suggest filing SNN-LPL @ 270 i.s.o. 290???
Oh my God, you rebellious free-thinkers - with people like you on the loose, what will the world come to???
You don't actually suggest filing SNN-LPL @ 270 i.s.o. 290???
Oh my God, you rebellious free-thinkers - with people like you on the loose
, what will the world come to???
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It seems that some posters are missing the point of the debate. It's about preferential treatment, not questioning whether or not pilots should receive such helpful information for flight planning. The notice in itself demonstrates good operating practices between service provider and customer.However, if the instruction was given to air traffic controllers to give this level of service to only one particular airline then serious questions would need to be asked.I wonder if Dermot Mannion (aer lingus) chief exec was aware of this apparent ''close '' relationship between service provider and customer. Could it have been a contributing factor to Aer lingus' withdrawal from the Shannon to Heathrow route?
It would certainly tighten the lips of Mannion's critics. I hear that he is also contemplating a complete withdrawal of transatlantic services in the Autumn. One can only hope that this latest revelation doesn't influence his decision. Shannon airport has always struggled for business. A ruthless low fares airline, monopoly of Shannon would not be good for the airport's long term developement.
It would certainly tighten the lips of Mannion's critics. I hear that he is also contemplating a complete withdrawal of transatlantic services in the Autumn. One can only hope that this latest revelation doesn't influence his decision. Shannon airport has always struggled for business. A ruthless low fares airline, monopoly of Shannon would not be good for the airport's long term developement.
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