Ryanair to be given "preferential treatment" by SNN ATC
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It seems that some posters are missing the point of the debate. It's about preferential treatment
It is simply asking ATC to do something that will enhance safety.
If it is accepted as best practice then the question is not about preferential treatment it is about why it a) in the absence of any good reason for not using that practice it had to be requested and b) why other operators at the same location had not recognised the same issue and made similar requests.
There was nothing stopping the ATC provider taking the proposal on board and on seeing the safety benifits providing the same service to all flights.
Requesting preferential teatment is like asking that when two aircraft are ready to push / taxi at the same time that airline A will always get to go first or when two airline flights are inbound with the same arrival time that airline A will be put first. That is getting preferential treatment not asking for something to enhance safety while at the same time having only a good effect (increased safety for all) on other flights.
If I se something that can be improved and make a report with a suggested improvement am I requesting preferential treatment?
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As for preferential treatment - airlines have contracts with the airports regarding services. It is up to the airline and the airport to hammer out the contract and all the terms therein. Just because one airline manages to negotiate a better deal that the next one is not a reason for crying preferential treatment. It may be a reson for asking why the other airline's team could not obtain the same or even a better deal?
If you pay £50 per month for your internet connection and I manage to negotiate the exact same connection for £5 am I getting preferential treatment or am I simply reaping the benifits of negotiating a better deal than you managed?
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As for preferential treatment - airlines have contracts with the airports regarding services. It is up to the airline and the airport to hammer out the contract and all the terms therein. Just because one airline manages to negotiate a better deal that the next one is not a reason for crying preferential treatment.
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Requesting preferential teatment is like asking that when two aircraft are ready to push / taxi at the same time that airline A will always get to go first or when two airline flights are inbound with the same arrival time that airline A will be put first. That is getting preferential treatment not asking for something to enhance safety while at the same time having only a good effect (increased safety for all) on other flights.
eg...Stand 17 at Manchester and Stand14 at Manch
S17 asks for push and start 10 secs before S14 does the same. S18 and S16 are waiting push....but 14 is clear. No preference but sensible ATC
Point 2.
When I worked at Brum we had an inbound from the North who wanted Rwy15 and one from the South who wanted Rwy 33. Theone from the North was too high too fast. He was told to either take up the hold or continue down wind for Rwy33. He elected the latter but still complained. Where preferential treatmen does occur is when the landing rwy is [say] westerly and Airline Q comes in from the west and is given an approach to the easterly rwy to the detriment of other a/f users
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You don't actually suggest filing SNN-LPL @ 270 i.s.o. 290???
Oh my God, you rebellious free-thinkers - with people like you on the loose , what will the world come to???
You don't actually suggest filing SNN-LPL @ 270 i.s.o. 290???
Oh my God, you rebellious free-thinkers - with people like you on the loose , what will the world come to???
Specifically I was getting at the fact that rIAAnair frequently file Westbound cruising levels for flights from Dublin to Scandinavia. They are heading East, so why do that ?? All it results in is more workload for ATC to correct their basic error ... time after time after time.
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Ryanair's preferential treatment
This Daniel McConnell is a typical example of a second rate lazy journalist. If he ever made an effort to research his subject properly he would realise that departures are given their ATC clearances when they call for start-up or before in a lot of cases. Departure clearances are given before line-up because the last thing a tower controller wants is a pilot discussing a clearance while sitting on the runway with another aircraft bearing down on them. The idea is that all this is done before the departure gets near the runway so they can line-up and go with minimum delay.
Apologies to all professional aviators for this Ladybird type explanition. It is intended for Mr. McConnell's level of understanding.
Apologies to all professional aviators for this Ladybird type explanition. It is intended for Mr. McConnell's level of understanding.
