DFS-Germany Direct Entry Atco-Info please
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thank you
Thank you very much for the answers, we really appreciate it !!
By the way, we are still looking for the age of retirement at Belgocontrol !!!
Tomorrow will be too late !!
It's not a joke, we'll hand our thesis back tomorrow
By the way, we are still looking for the age of retirement at Belgocontrol !!!
Tomorrow will be too late !!
It's not a joke, we'll hand our thesis back tomorrow
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Interesting to see that the Germans have advertised again (about the 5th time I think) on Flight Global.
Has anyone actually accepted a contract yet?
I know of one aussie who turned the contract down, even compared to Aussie dollars the amount wasn't worth it.
Wonder if they will up the amount they are offering, might the only way to get people over there.
Has anyone actually accepted a contract yet?
I know of one aussie who turned the contract down, even compared to Aussie dollars the amount wasn't worth it.
Wonder if they will up the amount they are offering, might the only way to get people over there.
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They are
DESPERATE! I´m sure they will eventually make it a good package, because DFS needs you, and yesterday wouldn´t be soon enough. I´m just not sure if management also sees it that way yet! 
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Can someone give out the package???
Does anybody have info on the package or what is the deal......Does anybody know if somebody has already been selected and if so do they have a start date.....?
I think the DFS might be looking for to much experience but will not pay the price to get it.
To bad the DFS wasn't more interested in me since i have other reasons i would like to be in Germany but oh well......maybe in the future.
I think the DFS might be looking for to much experience but will not pay the price to get it.
To bad the DFS wasn't more interested in me since i have other reasons i would like to be in Germany but oh well......maybe in the future.
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I know of 3 that are going to Karlsruhe. Package seems to include a salary which is on par with the number of years for which you've held a license. Moving costs are also covered. Don't know of any additional monies.
It also seems that DFS head office lays down a basic package and every applicant negotiates with the unit of his choice for a better deal. Seems the individual units are very flexible, depending on how badly they want a person. If you are a weak negotiator, you don't get much.....If you pick a unit that's not too keen on offering more or doesn't want to upset the local controllers by giving you a salary which you should be entitled to(ie. slot you in on a training salary), you should maybe try a different unit/centre.
It also seems that DFS head office lays down a basic package and every applicant negotiates with the unit of his choice for a better deal. Seems the individual units are very flexible, depending on how badly they want a person. If you are a weak negotiator, you don't get much.....If you pick a unit that's not too keen on offering more or doesn't want to upset the local controllers by giving you a salary which you should be entitled to(ie. slot you in on a training salary), you should maybe try a different unit/centre.
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Thanx for the info!!!!!!
I would love to reapply hehe to bad 2 years haven't gone by yet so i could maybe have a better chance....
It would make my trips to Germany easier hehe.....
but once again thanx again to the local controllers for keeping there ears open and writting to the rest of the world on here about the situation!!!!
I would love to reapply hehe to bad 2 years haven't gone by yet so i could maybe have a better chance....
It would make my trips to Germany easier hehe.....
but once again thanx again to the local controllers for keeping there ears open and writting to the rest of the world on here about the situation!!!!
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Don't think it matters what nationality you are.
Criteria would be more or less as follows:
Below 37ish (am guessing here) and busy sectors at your present place of employment.
That would be it I think.
Criteria would be more or less as follows:
Below 37ish (am guessing here) and busy sectors at your present place of employment.
That would be it I think.
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126.7:
it DOES matter what nationality you are - DFS prefers European controllers, because their licenses can easily be transferred into a German one.
In addition to that, you have to fulfill some requirements to receive a Security clearance which you need to have regardless of unit. That means, citizens of certain countries (e.g. some former Soviet Republics and some middle east and far east contries) will not be considered by DFS because of their heritage - it is sad, but the rules are made by the government and I guess, other countries have similar laws.
Hope to see some of you guys soon here in sunny Karlsruhe :-)
it DOES matter what nationality you are - DFS prefers European controllers, because their licenses can easily be transferred into a German one.
In addition to that, you have to fulfill some requirements to receive a Security clearance which you need to have regardless of unit. That means, citizens of certain countries (e.g. some former Soviet Republics and some middle east and far east contries) will not be considered by DFS because of their heritage - it is sad, but the rules are made by the government and I guess, other countries have similar laws.
Hope to see some of you guys soon here in sunny Karlsruhe :-)
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Yeah, I know about your company's or your government's feelings about eastern European ATCOs. Especially the two foreign chaps you have in Karlsruhe. The government didn't treat them too nicely did it? Maybe DFS should rephrase their little advert in flight global to say that ATCOs from questionable countries need not apply. But then they should also state which countries they see on that list....
Funny how either DFS or Flight Global misspelt their company name. DES?? 
Yeah, I know about your company's or your government's feelings about eastern European ATCOs. Especially the two foreign chaps you have in Karlsruhe. The government didn't treat them too nicely did it? Maybe DFS should rephrase their little advert in flight global to say that ATCOs from questionable countries need not apply. But then they should also state which countries they see on that list....
Job Position: Permanent
Location: Germany
Job Hours: Full-Time
Job Role: Air Traffic Controller
Company: DFS Deutsche Flugsicherung GmbH
Posted Date: 13 May 2008 10:30:47
Air Traffic Controller - Germany - Operations & ATC
Air Traffic Controller in Germany
Company: DES Deutsche Flugsicherung GmbH
Job role: Air traffic controller (m/f)
Job position: Permanent
Job hours: Full-time
Starting date: As soon as possible
The German air navigation service provider (DFS) is looking to recruit air traffic controllers holding an air traffic controller licence with an approach or area control rating.
To apply for this position, please send your CV via by clicking the apply button below
Location: Germany
Job Hours: Full-Time
Job Role: Air Traffic Controller
Company: DFS Deutsche Flugsicherung GmbH
Posted Date: 13 May 2008 10:30:47
Air Traffic Controller - Germany - Operations & ATC
Air Traffic Controller in Germany
Company: DES Deutsche Flugsicherung GmbH
Job role: Air traffic controller (m/f)
Job position: Permanent
Job hours: Full-time
Starting date: As soon as possible
The German air navigation service provider (DFS) is looking to recruit air traffic controllers holding an air traffic controller licence with an approach or area control rating.
To apply for this position, please send your CV via by clicking the apply button below
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hello people... i find this forum very exciting to read, thanks to all who are making this contributions. I also made an attempt to the DFS and they said I wait they will get back to me. Those who have gone through, what questions do I expect if am called for the interview?
And to my would-be-colleagues ( if i make it) in Germany, is there any racial discriminations ?
I have alot of warmth towards Germany.
And to my would-be-colleagues ( if i make it) in Germany, is there any racial discriminations ?
I have alot of warmth towards Germany.
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The numbers I´ve heard
from somebody who should know them: DFS wants to pay you around 56k€ (numbers always plus about 10% for nights, holidays etc) in training but is apparantly willing to negotiate that figure because they will obviously not get people for less than they earn now. It´s what they pay OJTs just out of school.
Once you´re fully licensed you´ll get what everyone else gets, i.e. starting at roughly 91k€, after eight years maxing out at about 108k€.
Also I´ve heard about a relocation package and support for the rest of the family (language courses etc).
The new shift scheme(s) are not yet agreed upon.
@kosamena: There´s no racial discrimination at work, I´m sure of that! Outside you might run into one idiot or the other, but it´s probably not different from anywhere else in the world.
Once you´re fully licensed you´ll get what everyone else gets, i.e. starting at roughly 91k€, after eight years maxing out at about 108k€.
Also I´ve heard about a relocation package and support for the rest of the family (language courses etc).
The new shift scheme(s) are not yet agreed upon.
@kosamena: There´s no racial discrimination at work, I´m sure of that! Outside you might run into one idiot or the other, but it´s probably not different from anywhere else in the world.
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DFS wants to pay you around 56k€ (numbers always plus about 10% for nights, holidays etc) in training but is apparantly willing to negotiate that figure because they will obviously not get people for less than they earn now.
Once you´re fully licensed you´ll get what everyone else gets, i.e. starting at roughly 91k€, after eight years maxing out at about 108k€.
Also I´ve heard about a relocation package and support for the rest of the family (language courses etc).
Also I´ve heard about a relocation package and support for the rest of the family (language courses etc).
We have heard they are desperate because of sector moves into Karlsruhe, is that right? If so they'll need to make it financially attractive to get the people they really need and want.
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Contract offered
I'm going to lay it all on the line. I am a south african with 5 years approach control experience. I have no clue about cost of living in Germany but am considering taking a contract with DFS. Please tell me what you think of the following:
Training salary 2920 Euro per month.
Family to stay back home for at least 6 months while I begin training!!
Will pay 1500 Euro per family member for language course.
4970 Euro per month once I get my first sector license.
Training salary 2920 Euro per month.
Family to stay back home for at least 6 months while I begin training!!
Will pay 1500 Euro per family member for language course.
4970 Euro per month once I get my first sector license.
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Are those figures net or gross? Well actually it doesn't matter as they are pathetic either way. Have you negotiated on the pay, apparently each ACC is able to negotiate according to experience?
With the Middle east desperately short of controllers, and wiling to pay approx 9500 euros net a month (Abu Dhabi/Dubai/Bahrain) then the DFS needs to up the ante.
For me to be interested, and yes I am in negotiations, they need to be offering 6000+ after tax, and around 15000 for relocation including estate agency fees.
With the Middle east desperately short of controllers, and wiling to pay approx 9500 euros net a month (Abu Dhabi/Dubai/Bahrain) then the DFS needs to up the ante.
For me to be interested, and yes I am in negotiations, they need to be offering 6000+ after tax, and around 15000 for relocation including estate agency fees.
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@F.L.F,
I guess there´s no way to be offered more than 7200€/month before tax because that´s what fully licensed controllers get after their last checkout. Even if add the 1,1 months extra pay per year and about 500€ tax free per month for holidays, nights etc you will come nowhere near 6000€+ after tax in your first year.
As a single I got almost exactly 72.000€ net for 2007, being fully licensed for seven years.
If you´re married the figure should have been around 80.000€....but then it might be worth less than half!
@hermy, I wouldn´t start the training for 3000 a month. You are fully licensed elsewhere and are far more experienced than a new guy fresh from shool, hence you should be worth a little more. Just remember, as a single 3000 a month will be around 1700€ after tax and social security fees, plus maybe 250€ shift allowance. Say you´ll be at 2000€ net...it´s ok, but it´s not plenty!
A two-bedroom appartment will easily cost you around 800€, gas is around 1,50€/litre today. Go to an Italian restaurant and you´ll pay at least 10€ for a pizza and a beer.
I would try to negotiate a better deal, don´t let them forget that other outfits are searching too and offering more!
As a single I got almost exactly 72.000€ net for 2007, being fully licensed for seven years.
If you´re married the figure should have been around 80.000€....but then it might be worth less than half!
@hermy, I wouldn´t start the training for 3000 a month. You are fully licensed elsewhere and are far more experienced than a new guy fresh from shool, hence you should be worth a little more. Just remember, as a single 3000 a month will be around 1700€ after tax and social security fees, plus maybe 250€ shift allowance. Say you´ll be at 2000€ net...it´s ok, but it´s not plenty!
A two-bedroom appartment will easily cost you around 800€, gas is around 1,50€/litre today. Go to an Italian restaurant and you´ll pay at least 10€ for a pizza and a beer.
I would try to negotiate a better deal, don´t let them forget that other outfits are searching too and offering more!