Irish ATC wages/conditions
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....What can I tell you...morale IS low.....Leave IS non-existent.....Roster IS crap......They had pay negotiations recently and amidst all the promises from our union that a realistic increase of 10-15% would be put to the members for acceptance, a mere 5% was offered..and they want us to accept it!!! Of course I'm open to correction on this. Nights are tough...1st night starts at 12 midnight...and ends at 930am....your knackered!!! 2nd night starts at 9pm and ends at 8am...your knackered!!! Now pay...who knows what they'll start off for direct entries...but you can bet your bottom dollar that it won't even come close to what other providers are giving....salaries at the moment range between 55,000Euro to 100,000Euro (if your working there 150 years!!!!) but those figures all depend on options on getting paid for office holidays or taking the days and a wee bit of overtime, which is plentiful at the minute.....Knowing the I double A, that 3 year fixed contract is more than likely to be extended...we simply don't have enough staff on right now...even with the new cadet classes, I really doubt that they will cover retirements in the next few years....There are a few younger people thinkin of jumpin ship too...oppurtunities are there abroad..why not take them.....I think the IAA will need to make the package extremely attractive.
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I've spent the better part of the last 10 years following trends in ATC, and one thing has certainly become more than obvious over the past few of those same years - just about every place around the big blue world of ours has fudged it up with prioritizing hiring qualified personnel. Essentially all of them are now in the "can't hire much at the moment, cause we don't have enough people to train AND work the scopes at the same time". Where will that lead us sooner or later? If we look at the state of the world and many an industry in those same past 10 years as any indication, it may all just crash and we'll do away with 99% of aviation OR if a desire to keep flying stays, the ANSP's will have little choice but to offer what needs to be offered. Who will train the new generations? Who knows.
As far as IAA goes, they've had their SCP for some time now. I myself applied in late 2014 and was invited to the testing in the spring of 2016. Naturally enough, I declined to take part, as they hadn't changed their stance on just about any aspect of providing a meaningful offer worthy of an ATCOs training and career.
I used to have a strong yearning not for aviation, but for this line of work specifically. I passed on the idea of professional flying long before even thinking about it, after I realized just what junky environment the pilot profession had turned into. Thanks to just about everything that has gone down in the recent years in the field of ATC, even after giving it just about every possible chance, benefit of the doubt and every last Joule of energy, the same has recently occurred with any former desire of mine to "work" in this area, even if given an opportunity(which is of course a whole different story in itself).
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I too am interested in this. Anyone who knows anything about aviation and ATC in particular, knows that the good ole days are gone. However, methinks that sooner or later, the system simply has to give in.
I've spent the better part of the last 10 years following trends in ATC, and one thing has certainly become more than obvious over the past few of those same years - just about every place around the big blue world of ours has fudged it up with prioritizing hiring qualified personnel. Essentially all of them are now in the "can't hire much at the moment, cause we don't have enough people to train AND work the scopes at the same time". Where will that lead us sooner or later? If we look at the state of the world and many an industry in those same past 10 years as any indication, it may all just crash and we'll do away with 99% of aviation OR if a desire to keep flying stays, the ANSP's will have little choice but to offer what needs to be offered. Who will train the new generations? Who knows.
As far as IAA goes, they've had their SCP for some time now. I myself applied in late 2014 and was invited to the testing in the spring of 2016. Naturally enough, I declined to take part, as they hadn't changed their stance on just about any aspect of providing a meaningful offer worthy of an ATCOs training and career.
I used to have a strong yearning not for aviation, but for this line of work specifically. I passed on the idea of professional flying long before even thinking about it, after I realized just what junky environment the pilot profession had turned into. Thanks to just about everything that has gone down in the recent years in the field of ATC, even after giving it just about every possible chance, benefit of the doubt and every last Joule of energy, the same has recently occurred with any former desire of mine to "work" in this area, even if given an opportunity(which is of course a whole different story in itself).
I've spent the better part of the last 10 years following trends in ATC, and one thing has certainly become more than obvious over the past few of those same years - just about every place around the big blue world of ours has fudged it up with prioritizing hiring qualified personnel. Essentially all of them are now in the "can't hire much at the moment, cause we don't have enough people to train AND work the scopes at the same time". Where will that lead us sooner or later? If we look at the state of the world and many an industry in those same past 10 years as any indication, it may all just crash and we'll do away with 99% of aviation OR if a desire to keep flying stays, the ANSP's will have little choice but to offer what needs to be offered. Who will train the new generations? Who knows.
As far as IAA goes, they've had their SCP for some time now. I myself applied in late 2014 and was invited to the testing in the spring of 2016. Naturally enough, I declined to take part, as they hadn't changed their stance on just about any aspect of providing a meaningful offer worthy of an ATCOs training and career.
I used to have a strong yearning not for aviation, but for this line of work specifically. I passed on the idea of professional flying long before even thinking about it, after I realized just what junky environment the pilot profession had turned into. Thanks to just about everything that has gone down in the recent years in the field of ATC, even after giving it just about every possible chance, benefit of the doubt and every last Joule of energy, the same has recently occurred with any former desire of mine to "work" in this area, even if given an opportunity(which is of course a whole different story in itself).
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so, i was contacted by the IAA with an offer and a contract, have much thinking to do, not so much time...
Can anyone say what kind of shifts do they work over there,
are there any controllers from other parts of the world (i am, obviously - not irish)
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any info would be much appreciated
Can anyone say what kind of shifts do they work over there,
are there any controllers from other parts of the world (i am, obviously - not irish)
...
any info would be much appreciated
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