ATCO Shift cycling
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ATCO Shift cycling
I am curious to know who works what?
Where I work we have a watch system and have a 6 / 4 cycle.
2 mornings 7am-3pm followed by;
2 afternoons 3pm-11pm and lastly;
2 nights 11pm-7am.
Upon completion of the second nightshift the day is deemed a sleep day followed by 3 off duty days.
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Where I work we have a watch system and have a 6 / 4 cycle.
2 mornings 7am-3pm followed by;
2 afternoons 3pm-11pm and lastly;
2 nights 11pm-7am.
Upon completion of the second nightshift the day is deemed a sleep day followed by 3 off duty days.
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Where I used to work we did 3 days on, 2 days off.
1st day 14:00-21:00
2nd day 09:00-19:00 (with a 3 hour break between 12:00-15:00)
3rd day 07:00-14:00
two days off
Cushy eh? I miss that shift pattern like crazy!
It was a non 24hour airfield with 2 frequencies and (at worst scale) about 6 ATCOS.
lol.
Traa
1st day 14:00-21:00
2nd day 09:00-19:00 (with a 3 hour break between 12:00-15:00)
3rd day 07:00-14:00
two days off
Cushy eh? I miss that shift pattern like crazy!
It was a non 24hour airfield with 2 frequencies and (at worst scale) about 6 ATCOS.
lol.
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hmmm... we have 3 basic shifts
7: 6.45-13.45
14: 13.45-20.45
21: 20.45-6.45
then there are shifts 8 hours long, starting as suffix suggests: 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 16, 17
6 days on, 4 days off (including morning of the last night shift).
7: 6.45-13.45
14: 13.45-20.45
21: 20.45-6.45
then there are shifts 8 hours long, starting as suffix suggests: 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 16, 17
6 days on, 4 days off (including morning of the last night shift).
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is the ATCO roster (let's say at NATS unit where the 6/4 pattern is in place) a steady 6/4 throughout the year so that you can predict what you going to be doing at any time, or is it still subject to availability / operational needs / last minute changes (apart from overtime or voluntary reshifting ?)
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Ivor
thanks
Ivor
It seems that in NATS at least, the 6 on/4 off is standard for 24 hr units while 6 on/3 off is the norm for non - 24 hours ones, hence these latter work more days per year and hence deserve more pay/higher banding THREAD CREEP!!
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Plus going on your theory of 6 on 3 off deserving more money than 6 on 4 off, 5 on 2 off as at the college should deserve even more money as they work even more days per year Chevvy.
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Our typical roster is:
day 1: 15:00-23:00
day 2: 12:30-21:30
day 3 if on night shift this cycle: 07:30-12:30 and then back at 22:30 for the night until day 4 morning 6:30
day 3 if not on night shift: 09:00-15:00
day 4: 06:30-12:30
2 days off.
Of course these are official hours, so an earlier/later start or finish is possible depending on the sector group/traffic/available people/SV...
The roster should change to a 3/3 roster soon, but we still need new controllers for that, so it will take a while I guess...
day 1: 15:00-23:00
day 2: 12:30-21:30
day 3 if on night shift this cycle: 07:30-12:30 and then back at 22:30 for the night until day 4 morning 6:30
day 3 if not on night shift: 09:00-15:00
day 4: 06:30-12:30
2 days off.
Of course these are official hours, so an earlier/later start or finish is possible depending on the sector group/traffic/available people/SV...
The roster should change to a 3/3 roster soon, but we still need new controllers for that, so it will take a while I guess...
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NATS controllers work 35 hours net a week (averaged out over the year). Any shortfall from the shift pattern will be accounted for in the unit Working Practices agreement, for example by 'clawing back' attendances for specific events or duties.
The 'I work the same but get less days off' argument is a false one, at least in NATS.
The 'I work the same but get less days off' argument is a false one, at least in NATS.
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our Union is pushing for a ridiculous 3-3 cycle... which practically speaking at Maastricht won't work...but it's interesting what you other guys are working.... what's this 6-4 set up like? how far in advance do you have your roster info?
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achtung, in our room at Swanwick (TC) the 6-4 basically can go like this...
MMAANNSOOO
Two mornings, two afternoons, two nights, sleep day, three off, or,
MMAADDOOOO
Two mornings, two afternoons, two late day shifts, four off, or,
MMAAODDOOO
Two mornings, two afternoons, day off, two early day shifts, three days off.
Within the core roster there are certain variations in the start/finish times of the M and A duties for a certain number of staff and also different start/finish times depending which particular day duty you are rostered for.
The MMAA part is essentially fixed and you can tell what you're doing days, weeks, months, years ahead.
For the Ns or Ds, roughly half the watch will do Ns and the other half Ds.
You can express a preference or make requests for the Ns and Ds and the rosterers try to accommodate. The roster is published by the 20th of the preceding month and it's only when it is actually published that you know for sure what you'll be doing on the following months' N or D duties. Swaps are okay as long as the validations fit.
MMAANNSOOO
Two mornings, two afternoons, two nights, sleep day, three off, or,
MMAADDOOOO
Two mornings, two afternoons, two late day shifts, four off, or,
MMAAODDOOO
Two mornings, two afternoons, day off, two early day shifts, three days off.
Within the core roster there are certain variations in the start/finish times of the M and A duties for a certain number of staff and also different start/finish times depending which particular day duty you are rostered for.
The MMAA part is essentially fixed and you can tell what you're doing days, weeks, months, years ahead.
For the Ns or Ds, roughly half the watch will do Ns and the other half Ds.
You can express a preference or make requests for the Ns and Ds and the rosterers try to accommodate. The roster is published by the 20th of the preceding month and it's only when it is actually published that you know for sure what you'll be doing on the following months' N or D duties. Swaps are okay as long as the validations fit.
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Mr Chevvron, sir.
What about your weekend/PH shifts where you still do M or A duties, but only between 0800-2000hrs local........? (ie M shift 0800-1400 and A 1400-2000 Local - and they are the late stays!!!!)
B-L
What about your weekend/PH shifts where you still do M or A duties, but only between 0800-2000hrs local........? (ie M shift 0800-1400 and A 1400-2000 Local - and they are the late stays!!!!)
B-L
But as Prune radar points out, we are all rostered for the same number of hours per week, hence as I say non 24 hour units work more days in total over a year; in any case weekends are FAR more complicated nowadays what with having to cover the new LARS sectors with 9 (not 6) hour day shifts, plus we don't get the luxury of every weekend off like the college do.