Annoying RT
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From: sweden
Whats the correct call up during climb?
As I understand its correct to, during climb in a SID state your level passing and then the level you are cleared to. But do you need to do that later on in your climb and also even later in your descent???
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From: LHR/EGLL
Along the same lines:
ATC: Report ready.....
A/c: We're ready now, apart from the cabin......
or.....
A/c: We're ready now, apart from a pushback tug...
or....
A/c: We're ready now, apart from our final figures....
ATC: Report ready.....
A/c: We're ready now, apart from the cabin......
or.....
A/c: We're ready now, apart from a pushback tug...
or....
A/c: We're ready now, apart from our final figures....
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From: Samsonite Avenue
Is it not 'Airmanship' to advise an ATC sector as soon as practicable if you request a level differant from the one originally filed for?
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What really gives me the sh!ts is the number of RPT that call my sector from Departures on climb with the following;
"XXX centre, XXX123 on climb to F180." "XXX123, XXX centre, climb to FL390."(Planned level) Long pause...."Aaaggghhh, uummm, centre, request FL370."
I can appreciate that this is going to happen from time to time but it's starting to become the norm rather than the exception Down Under.
All good and well when it's quiet but a little frustrating when the frequencies are busy.
Cheers.
"XXX centre, XXX123 on climb to F180." "XXX123, XXX centre, climb to FL390."(Planned level) Long pause...."Aaaggghhh, uummm, centre, request FL370."
I can appreciate that this is going to happen from time to time but it's starting to become the norm rather than the exception Down Under.
All good and well when it's quiet but a little frustrating when the frequencies are busy.
Cheers.
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From: Europe
Granted FL is usually filed by OPS department (and quite often with RFL), and not changed for an individual flight on a given day. Nevertheless the best moment to notify about your request is while requesting ATC clearance while still parked at the apron - we then have plenty of time to notify next sectors, especially if we're on dedicated DEL position.
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From: Dubai - sand land.
What you jolly fine ATCO chaps forget is that whilst you're ALWAYS esconced in your own little radar room or tower, WE are in an ever changing environment that (believe it or not) has different rules, regs and PHRASOLOGIES!!!!!!.
I do agree that there is some awful radio work from some pilots - it makes me cringe to hear it sometimes But have you thought that when you just get something like "affirm" in response to an "are you ready" maybe the guys in the front are busy with something and only vaguely heard what you said. Yes, I know we're supposed to maintain an ear out - but that doesn't always happen... Tiredness, tech problem, cabin problem - I could go on!!!
And as HS points out - any R/T calls whilst we're landing will be ignored
I do agree that there is some awful radio work from some pilots - it makes me cringe to hear it sometimes
But have you thought that when you just get something like "affirm" in response to an "are you ready" maybe the guys in the front are busy with something and only vaguely heard what you said. Yes, I know we're supposed to maintain an ear out - but that doesn't always happen... Tiredness, tech problem, cabin problem - I could go on!!!And as HS points out - any R/T calls whilst we're landing will be ignored
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From: Sunny South
What you jolly fine ATCO chaps forget is that whilst you're ALWAYS esconced in your own little radar room or tower, WE are in an ever changing environment
??? I always thought ATC was an ever changing environment too or has the pause button on the radar screens at my unit broken.
White Knight why dont you go have a visit to one of the little radar rooms or towers and have a look. While you guys can concentrate on YOUR flight and what YOU want to do controllers have lots of A/C to deal with, usually all wanting to go the same way and climb and descend into each other (and on a good day he/she might just keep you apart).
??? I always thought ATC was an ever changing environment too or has the pause button on the radar screens at my unit broken.
White Knight why dont you go have a visit to one of the little radar rooms or towers and have a look. While you guys can concentrate on YOUR flight and what YOU want to do controllers have lots of A/C to deal with, usually all wanting to go the same way and climb and descend into each other (and on a good day he/she might just keep you apart).
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From: Dubai - sand land.
sr562 - mighty defensive heh? I've visited TRACON in the US, and tower at LGW, very impressed too with the professionalism. I thought your job was to keep us apart - even if we're going the same way at the same time
Besides, we are supposed to be concentrating on OUR flight - I couldn't care less what the others are doing..
Lon got the idea of what I was saying..
Besides, we are supposed to be concentrating on OUR flight - I couldn't care less what the others are doing..Lon got the idea of what I was saying..
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From: UK
Whilst I understand the frustration with reporting 'Fully Ready' but with a proviso, can you imagine the frustration of having your ducks so nearly in a row that you'll be ready in 3 minutes...
We then call fully ready, only to be told 'Right, twenty minutes startup delay'
If you thought the R/T was annoying, just be thankful you can't hear the screaming.
We then call fully ready, only to be told 'Right, twenty minutes startup delay'
If you thought the R/T was annoying, just be thankful you can't hear the screaming.
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From: Maastricht, Netherlands
When switching from Approach to Tower, I often hear the phrase "Roger Papa Charlie Papa, continue approach". What a load of ole crap and waste of effort and breath that is. Unless flying a helo, there's not much else I can do buddy !! In my opinion the "continue approach"-instruction is just a way of buying time but it makes no sense at all.
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From: Maastricht, Netherlands
An ATCO at EHBK who kinda lost it many, many moons ago and who retired a few years back (a day of monumental rejoicing), once uttered these words...
"Papa Echo Sierra, proceed to the east, slowly but not immediately, we expect traffic in a minute or five, so I give you a call when you actually have to start moving."
This is not a joke, it really happened. Apparently this guy is still teaching RT at a local flying school....What a
), once uttered these words..."Papa Echo Sierra, proceed to the east, slowly but not immediately, we expect traffic in a minute or five, so I give you a call when you actually have to start moving."
This is not a joke, it really happened. Apparently this guy is still teaching RT at a local flying school....What a
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From: EPKT
When switching from Approach to Tower, I often hear the phrase "Roger Papa Charlie Papa, continue approach". What a load of ole crap and waste of effort and breath that is. Unless flying a helo, there's not much else I can do buddy !! In my opinion the "continue approach"-instruction is just a way of buying time but it makes no sense at all.
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From: Dubai - sand land.
I agree Eastern Wiseguy
However, for some reason some will say "affirm", or "charlie charlie" or - I don't know mate. I was pointing out that the guys may be preoccupied. Maybe English isn't their first language, maybe they're not ICAO level4, maybe their cat got run over and they can't think straight
However, for some reason some will say "affirm", or "charlie charlie" or - I don't know mate. I was pointing out that the guys may be preoccupied. Maybe English isn't their first language, maybe they're not ICAO level4, maybe their cat got run over and they can't think straight
