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"Atco 2 should get same money as atco 2. Simple"
Fair enough, lets save some money and make every ATCO 2 Band 4!
"Same job, same contract, same responsibilty, same hours."
Also airport Watch managers are ATCO2's. Lets give them a £15 grand pay rise eh. Simple?
If that works across the board then lets go for it. I'm quite happy to take the pay rise to a Stansted ATCO3 but with lower traffic levels. I've got even more responsibility, I carry out radar duties.
Fair enough, lets save some money and make every ATCO 2 Band 4!
"Same job, same contract, same responsibilty, same hours."
Also airport Watch managers are ATCO2's. Lets give them a £15 grand pay rise eh. Simple?
If that works across the board then lets go for it. I'm quite happy to take the pay rise to a Stansted ATCO3 but with lower traffic levels. I've got even more responsibility, I carry out radar duties.
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If Manchester, or any other unit want more money, then please come and work at TC. We are short of staff. You will then be extremly busy and be paid accordingly.
I am fed up with hearing Manchester moaning, come south and be a band 5 ATCO.
I am fed up with hearing Manchester moaning, come south and be a band 5 ATCO.
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Over+Out,
You obviously haven't tried getting released from a regional Unit any time in the last few years, there are many out there who would love to go south but can't because they have to wait for students to come in from the college to train and validate 2 ratings, by the time that has happened, someone has retired or left NATS, thereby needing to wait for another student from the college (there aren't many as they all go to TC or the London Airports) to come along and validate 2 ratings, by which time........
You obviously haven't tried getting released from a regional Unit any time in the last few years, there are many out there who would love to go south but can't because they have to wait for students to come in from the college to train and validate 2 ratings, by the time that has happened, someone has retired or left NATS, thereby needing to wait for another student from the college (there aren't many as they all go to TC or the London Airports) to come along and validate 2 ratings, by which time........
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No issues with Manch being Band 5, it might even happen in the next pay round. Stranger things have happened.
You'll still be playing catch up though because expect a certain very recently slightly expanded unit near the south coast to be Band (wait for it...) 6, which you can then strive for as well when you've moved north of the border
You'll still be playing catch up though because expect a certain very recently slightly expanded unit near the south coast to be Band (wait for it...) 6, which you can then strive for as well when you've moved north of the border
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What a divided company we have become. Area controllers and airfield controllers uesd to be in it together with a common aim .Thats all gone ,we are better than you seems to be the order of the day now, congrats to Nats mangement ,divide and conquer.
What a divided company we have become. Area controllers and airfield controllers uesd to be in it together with a common aim .Thats all gone ,we are better than you seems to be the order of the day now, congrats to Nats mangement ,divide and conquer.
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What a divided company
That boat already sailed.
Banding? Just a means of keeping London Weighting without calling it thus. I don't think anyone seriously believes its about traffic complexity anymore.
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eyeinthesky, we have been given the option of receiving it as normal for 3 years or to take a non pensionable lump sum of 3 years worth which, fingers crossed, should be paid this month.
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Does that mean you wont be taking your airspace with you then?
Even from down here your comment makes you look very much like a manager or a bod charged with giving out the management line.
Even from down here your comment makes you look very much like a manager or a bod charged with giving out the management line.
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RandD,
Once again I ask what are you on about???
Do you really think that Manchester moves to Prestwick and they don't take the traffic and airspace with them?
Why don't you go out and find the information yourself rather than come on here for it-it's all out there in the public domain what the plans are.
Manchester ATC.
Not sure anyone really bothers about what you get paid up there but there seem to be plenty at Manchester that care about what we get paid at LACC or should I say the new LATCC.
Once again I ask what are you on about???
Do you really think that Manchester moves to Prestwick and they don't take the traffic and airspace with them?
Why don't you go out and find the information yourself rather than come on here for it-it's all out there in the public domain what the plans are.
Manchester ATC.
Not sure anyone really bothers about what you get paid up there but there seem to be plenty at Manchester that care about what we get paid at LACC or should I say the new LATCC.
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All I care about, basically, is fairness and equality. We all do the same job, so we should all be paid equally. Quite simple really. And I don't care if you're south, north, east or west of where I am.
There is never a need need for cross-unit bickering or cyber willy waving.
We all try to stop those funny little blips hitting each other in exactly the same way, after the same training, and therefore using exactly the same skills and knowledge.
If you believe that you're worthy of more money than someone doing exactly the same job as you then I think that management have "won" whatever battle it is they're waging, and you need to take a closer look at your own ego and self-importance.
I couldn't care less if someone who was sat on their fat behind in some god-forsaken hell hole which handled 10 flights a day at the most got paid the same as me, as long as I get paid what I earn.
I don't begrudge anyone who went through what I went through to become what I am now, the right to have equality pay-wise, with me. For he or she worked just as hard to get through college and then validate as I did. And he or she has the same worries, stresses and strains as I have and everyone else has.
The moment any of us believe that we're more essential than our colleagues is the day we may as well disband the union and start doing "personal favours" for those in the upper echelons of our ever-changing company.
Perhaps one day some of you may realise that your inflated ego is getting in the way of your deflated humanity.
There is never a need need for cross-unit bickering or cyber willy waving.
We all try to stop those funny little blips hitting each other in exactly the same way, after the same training, and therefore using exactly the same skills and knowledge.
If you believe that you're worthy of more money than someone doing exactly the same job as you then I think that management have "won" whatever battle it is they're waging, and you need to take a closer look at your own ego and self-importance.
I couldn't care less if someone who was sat on their fat behind in some god-forsaken hell hole which handled 10 flights a day at the most got paid the same as me, as long as I get paid what I earn.
I don't begrudge anyone who went through what I went through to become what I am now, the right to have equality pay-wise, with me. For he or she worked just as hard to get through college and then validate as I did. And he or she has the same worries, stresses and strains as I have and everyone else has.
The moment any of us believe that we're more essential than our colleagues is the day we may as well disband the union and start doing "personal favours" for those in the upper echelons of our ever-changing company.
Perhaps one day some of you may realise that your inflated ego is getting in the way of your deflated humanity.
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[QUOTE]WHY IS EVERYONE WORRYING WHAT WE ARE BEING PAID
We wont be at Manch much longer.
28th November 2007 22:58
[QUOTE]Manchester ATC
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Does that mean you wont be taking your airspace with you then?
Even from down here your comment makes you look very much like a manager or a bod charged with giving out the management line.
28th November 2007 23:48
I think you may have misunderstood the undertone of the term "won't be at Manch much longer" 2+2+???
We wont be at Manch much longer.
28th November 2007 22:58
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Does that mean you wont be taking your airspace with you then?
Even from down here your comment makes you look very much like a manager or a bod charged with giving out the management line.
28th November 2007 23:48
I think you may have misunderstood the undertone of the term "won't be at Manch much longer" 2+2+???
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ceanair, if only people did work as hard as each other to a) leave the college and b) validate, then i would agree that people should get the same pay.
it is easier to validate at units with lighter traffic.
And it is easier to get out of the college if you have some assets that other students don't.
bring on band 10 for the new "super" unit
it is easier to validate at units with lighter traffic.
And it is easier to get out of the college if you have some assets that other students don't.
bring on band 10 for the new "super" unit
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I thought ImnotanERIC was a TC bod since he claims not to be an ERIC 
Regarding the pay, I can't say I agree entirely with Ceannairceach. I don't understand how it is fair for a Manchester controller, soon to be living in Scotland, to be paid the same as someone who lives on the south coast and works a busy TC sector. The considerable difference in the cost of living is one factor but there is also the difference in the levels of traffic and complexity.
Regarding the pay, I can't say I agree entirely with Ceannairceach. I don't understand how it is fair for a Manchester controller, soon to be living in Scotland, to be paid the same as someone who lives on the south coast and works a busy TC sector. The considerable difference in the cost of living is one factor but there is also the difference in the levels of traffic and complexity.
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The considerable difference in the cost of living is one factor but there is also the difference in the levels of traffic and complexity.
As for complexity, did the ATCOs at ScACC and MACC who validated on sectors AC off-loaded to those units suddenly jump to Band 5? The fact is they didn't, therefore how could sectors sufficiently complex to justify Band 5 one day only be worthy of Band 4 the next?
Yes it is more expensive to purchase/rent a house and live in S'ampton and I have no probs with additional allowances to take that into account. But a blanket unit differential on the basis of "complexity"? Until such time as individual sectors, rather than units, are graded on complexity then there will be those at ScACC and MACC who will, with some justification, continue to regard the existing system as flawed.