Tc To The Seaside
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Worringly enough these problems have been highlighted for quite some time now, however much more importantly will i be forced to hand back my 'Nats Swanwick' mug if Tc head on back to West Drayton.
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Why shouldn't I be?
I've always found that the greater knowledge of "the other" side, be that another ATCU, Flight deck, engineering or anything else, the better I can my job..... especially when things go wrong.
Many of the misunderstandings and "issues" between different ATCUs and between ATC and the flight deck have been perpetuated by the lack of appreciation of what the other is trying or is able to do.
Knowledge is a good thing.
BEX
I've always found that the greater knowledge of "the other" side, be that another ATCU, Flight deck, engineering or anything else, the better I can my job..... especially when things go wrong.
Many of the misunderstandings and "issues" between different ATCUs and between ATC and the flight deck have been perpetuated by the lack of appreciation of what the other is trying or is able to do.
Knowledge is a good thing.
BEX
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as if by magic.......
TWO people have now PM'd me the information(one with a full explanation)
Thank you both, you know who you are.
Best rgds BEX
TWO people have now PM'd me the information(one with a full explanation)
Thank you both, you know who you are.
Best rgds BEX
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But not about sensitive operational matters on a VERY public forum (looking at the hit counter for how many people have read this thread). If you need to know to do your job as an ATCO then you'll be briefed when you come on watch. I'm not going to brief you, or anyone else, on these pages.
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I was hoping we'd have another mug for going back to WD then returning to Swanwick but its not looking as likely.BD
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But not about sensitive operational matters on a VERY public forum (looking at the hit counter for how many people have read this thread). If you need to know to do your job as an ATCO then you'll be briefed when you come on watch. I'm not going to brief you, or anyone else, on these pages.
Is it that difficult for people to get their heads round in this media fueled world
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I can brief you (and anyone else reading) that there is no intention of returning to WD. There were some flow measures on this morning due to staffing problems in Heathrow tower, now fixed. BA cancelled some flights but that was due to their own staffing problems.
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BDiONU is 100% correct - this public forum is not the place to go into the nitty gritty of a business sensitive issue... I am not a management lackey, far from it, but I know and accept that this company is being run as a business and must conduct itself accordingly.
If you needed to know, then you would have been told by your bosses at work. However you have been given your answer - as indicated by your acknowledgement of two PM's... hopefully you have been told the true facts and not speculation.... for example, what TALKDOWNMAN wrote on post #55 is not the true state of affairs and is frankly, not exactly helpful.
BDiONU is 100% correct - this public forum is not the place to go into the nitty gritty of a business sensitive issue... I am not a management lackey, far from it, but I know and accept that this company is being run as a business and must conduct itself accordingly.
If you needed to know, then you would have been told by your bosses at work. However you have been given your answer - as indicated by your acknowledgement of two PM's... hopefully you have been told the true facts and not speculation.... for example, what TALKDOWNMAN wrote on post #55 is not the true state of affairs and is frankly, not exactly helpful.
What's the latest anyway? I gather from the last few posts things are back to normal, would that be correct?
By normal, I mean flow rates back to those NOTAMed for post o-date.
By normal, I mean flow rates back to those NOTAMed for post o-date.
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All I can say again is ....well done. Having seen the complexity of it all, it is quite impressive that this move has all been achieved with the minor (relatively) irritation of flow being applied.
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difference in circumstances
BDiONU said:
Nope. Because the airline also says, "We f***ed up, let's get you home somehow."
Yesterday's cancellations were a different matter, with BA claiming events outside their control, hence "You're stuck here." But on another thread, Avman wrote:
So what's the deal re: these cancellations? Who's responsible?
Thanks
mrtn
Quite. If an airline delays your flight 'cause the aircraft has gone tech do you demand to know what the problem is?
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Yesterday's cancellations were a different matter, with BA claiming events outside their control, hence "You're stuck here." But on another thread, Avman wrote:
Just to put the record straight (for those readers not in the know), ATC does not cancel flights. The operator may decide to cancel flights as a consequence of ATC capacity restrictions (which will be quite severe if there are system problems).
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Mrtn - the answer is in the paragraph you quoted. Airlines cancel flights, not ATC. However, you may successfully argue that it was down to the ATC system which caused it in the first place.
