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Finding a document.
First of all with the question below i don't want to start a slagging match between flight crew and ATC.
Last night over a beer i had a little discussion with one of my friends who is a ATCO. We were talking about the working relationship between pilots and ATC. According to my friend some pilots are a pain in the ass. Which i have to agree with.
However he made the following comment: "Pilots just have to do what we (ATC) tell them to do.
As you can imagine this is something i don't agree with. 99.9% we do what ATC tells us, but ultimately the Capt. is the one who has the final responsibility for the aircraft. So there are times when we can not comply with an instruction given by ATC. (fortunately it doesn't happen to often).
To close this discussion i am looking for a document which states the responsibilities of both ATC and Flight Crew.
Who can help me?
Last night over a beer i had a little discussion with one of my friends who is a ATCO. We were talking about the working relationship between pilots and ATC. According to my friend some pilots are a pain in the ass. Which i have to agree with.
However he made the following comment: "Pilots just have to do what we (ATC) tell them to do.
As you can imagine this is something i don't agree with. 99.9% we do what ATC tells us, but ultimately the Capt. is the one who has the final responsibility for the aircraft. So there are times when we can not comply with an instruction given by ATC. (fortunately it doesn't happen to often).
To close this discussion i am looking for a document which states the responsibilities of both ATC and Flight Crew.
Who can help me?
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That fellow you talked to needs a good slap. Without aircraft and aircrew, there would be no requirement for ATC. He needs a reminder of why he is there in the first place and maybe pilots are a pain in the ass because of his attitude over the R/T. It is very easy to be critical when your ass is strapped to the ground. I remember one of those old PK questions, "what considerations should be taken into account when controlling aircraft?" and one of the answers was " the high psycological and physiological strain on the crews". This will obviously vary between a C172 and an F15, but maybe he needs to get himself some flying lessons and see how stressed he gets.
By the way, I am not a pilot.
By the way, I am not a pilot.
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I think Mr Gunsen summed it up in his speech that we have controlled airspace which means that all aircraft fly down an airway which justifies the controllers job.
On a more serious note, Yes we have to do what a controller says, as it is against the law not to. However if we feel that what we are being told to do, is or will affect the safety of the aircraft, the passengers or people on the ground then we are quite entitled not to comply. But we must justify our actions.
On a more serious note, Yes we have to do what a controller says, as it is against the law not to. However if we feel that what we are being told to do, is or will affect the safety of the aircraft, the passengers or people on the ground then we are quite entitled not to comply. But we must justify our actions.
