Is recoursing really so bad?
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Is recoursing really so bad?
Has recoursing on one course of at the college then helped you to carry on and pass through with flying colours?
How many people go through a recourse at some point in their college career?
How many people go through a recourse at some point in their college career?
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When I went through the college, everybody had a "2nd life" and you could fail one of the courses & you would get another shot at it.
Nowadays some people are getting chopped after failing their first course.
In my opinion in the past, it made no difference whether you went through 1st time or had to resit something. In this day & age of the shortened course then by failing a course & maybe holding somewhere for a few months can surely do no harm, as it will broaden your limited ATC horizons before you get out into the big bad world.
These days a trainee can be out in the real world in about 6 months. When i went through, it took me 21 months from starting at the college to finishing (And I never failed a single course.) It took my predecessors a lot longer than that so their knowledge would have been even greater than mine.
Nowadays some people are getting chopped after failing their first course.
In my opinion in the past, it made no difference whether you went through 1st time or had to resit something. In this day & age of the shortened course then by failing a course & maybe holding somewhere for a few months can surely do no harm, as it will broaden your limited ATC horizons before you get out into the big bad world.
These days a trainee can be out in the real world in about 6 months. When i went through, it took me 21 months from starting at the college to finishing (And I never failed a single course.) It took my predecessors a lot longer than that so their knowledge would have been even greater than mine.
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By my reckoning, half the trainees graduating last time had recoursed somewhere. Whether they succeed to validation is another matter! The trick seems to be getting the recourse in the first place!!
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I remember failing Area 1 the first time. Passed second time round and passed Area 2. I think the recourse helped me greatly and was instrumental in my graduating from the college.Now valid at TC!!
So just because you recourse doesn't earmark you out as a complete failure or suggest that you wont succeed at a unit.
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So just because you recourse doesn't earmark you out as a complete failure or suggest that you wont succeed at a unit.
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Failed Approach the first time round.
Doing the course second time was a lot easier and I learnt from the mistakes I made the first time. That is where you should find the recourse useful...to gain more experience and learn from the past errors.
Being recoursed at the college was less important than validating at a unit.
Doing the course second time was a lot easier and I learnt from the mistakes I made the first time. That is where you should find the recourse useful...to gain more experience and learn from the past errors.
Being recoursed at the college was less important than validating at a unit.
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"Being recoursed was less important than validating at a unit"
Since you have to pass the course before you go anywhere, I fail to see how.
Loads of ATCOs have been recoursed at one time or other, the only thing you have to remember is that it really is your last chance.
Its ineviatable that your instructors will know your position and hopefully be supportive, but equally they may expect you to attain a higher standard than other candidates so you've got to go balls out to maintain a high level all the way through.
I'm sure it will work out, good luck.
Since you have to pass the course before you go anywhere, I fail to see how.
Loads of ATCOs have been recoursed at one time or other, the only thing you have to remember is that it really is your last chance.
Its ineviatable that your instructors will know your position and hopefully be supportive, but equally they may expect you to attain a higher standard than other candidates so you've got to go balls out to maintain a high level all the way through.
I'm sure it will work out, good luck.
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Loads of people recourse and yes I helps loads. As the college teach us on basic: everyone has different learning styles and the recourse means that those who might take a little longer to 'get it', but still be as good as anyone else, have the opportunity to prove themselves.
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Currently recoursing....
Hi there,
as a current TATC i felt i ought to add my way of thinking!
I'm currently recoursing on area foundation at the college, and to me it has been vital. At the end of my previous foundation course, I was in no way ready to pass on to the next stage. Now, having had the benefit of extra time on the simulators (and observing the operational world whilst holding), i feel comfortable with taking the summatives (starting next fri
) and - provided i pass - moving on to the next stage.
In answer - No, recoursing is no bad thing (other than an extra 3months on TATC pay!)
Personally, I feel that my case that i needed probably a week or two longer to have been comfortable with the level of traffic - however there's no reason to believe that this is the general feeling!
as a current TATC i felt i ought to add my way of thinking!
I'm currently recoursing on area foundation at the college, and to me it has been vital. At the end of my previous foundation course, I was in no way ready to pass on to the next stage. Now, having had the benefit of extra time on the simulators (and observing the operational world whilst holding), i feel comfortable with taking the summatives (starting next fri
) and - provided i pass - moving on to the next stage. In answer - No, recoursing is no bad thing (other than an extra 3months on TATC pay!)
Personally, I feel that my case that i needed probably a week or two longer to have been comfortable with the level of traffic - however there's no reason to believe that this is the general feeling!
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Interesting thread.
This may be blindingly obvious, or unworkable, but as an outsider, I'm wondering if recoursing is so common and useful, why not build the extra time into the course(s) in the first place? In industry, if everything needed re-tooling twice, they'd change the procedure to make it right the first time and stop spending the extra money it must cost
This may be blindingly obvious, or unworkable, but as an outsider, I'm wondering if recoursing is so common and useful, why not build the extra time into the course(s) in the first place? In industry, if everything needed re-tooling twice, they'd change the procedure to make it right the first time and stop spending the extra money it must cost
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Different people need different amounts of time training.
While some people need recoursed (extra time) the majority pass through 1st time. Well they used to anyway! Nowadays.......
Different people need different amounts of time training.
While some people need recoursed (extra time) the majority pass through 1st time. Well they used to anyway! Nowadays.......
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Yep...comes down to economics as well as peoples learning gradients....If 20/30 pass first time...saves 66% costs...although is a fine line to draw on what is the right time.
As with those that do recourse, it has no bearing whatsoever on your career at units. All they are interested in is you have that yellow peril and they take it from there.
As with those that do recourse, it has no bearing whatsoever on your career at units. All they are interested in is you have that yellow peril and they take it from there.
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Originally Posted by DTS/LTY
the majority pass through 1st time. Well they used to anyway!
Originally Posted by Tori Chelli
why not build the extra time into the course(s) in the first place?
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If you read my post properly I said
the majority USED to pass through 1st time, which happened when i went through the college.
Nowadays I know that the pass rate is much lower.
If you read my post properly I said
the majority USED to pass through 1st time, which happened when i went through the college.
Nowadays I know that the pass rate is much lower.
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Its ineviatable that your instructors will know your position and hopefully be supportive, but equally they may expect you to attain a higher standard than other candidates so you've got to go balls out to maintain a high level all the way through.
Loads of ATCOs have been recoursed at one time or other, the only thing you have to remember is that it really is your last chance.
As for the courses being longer and telling them that over and over and over...
When I went through the College, you HAD to pass every course. Fail one section and you had to re-take the exam with no further training; fail that and you're chopped. The only time re-coursing took place was if you were ill enough to miss a couple of weeks training, then and only then were you re-coursed.
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A recourse is usually a lot more helpful than graduating on a course that you only just managed to pass. Moving on to further training on either another college discipline or unit validation without fully absorbing the previous level usually results in a parting of the ways.
Theory applies to just about every form of training on the planet.
Use the recourse to not only re-learn what you missed but to broaden your overall appreciation of what it is you are trying to learn. That way the later stuff will make more sense and be easier to absorb.
Theory applies to just about every form of training on the planet.
Use the recourse to not only re-learn what you missed but to broaden your overall appreciation of what it is you are trying to learn. That way the later stuff will make more sense and be easier to absorb.
Trouble is it also lets through a lot of people who can pass assessments but are absolutely useless when it comes to handling live traffic! I know of one re-tread who is now in a highly paid non-operational post because they failed to validate on radar.
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Recoursing is by far the best way to set you up for your unit. When i went through the college not so long ago, of a course of 30 people, only 8 left the college first time through. the others were either recoursed or failed and were chopped.
However, it is not to say that you should bank on a recourse, if you are female then yes by all means you will be recoursed over and over again until you pass. If you are a bloke, it depends on other factors, but mainly if they believe you were 'nearly' there on the course you failed. Personally, i was very thankful for my recourse, i was hanging on by my fingertips for the course, but on the recourse it all made perfect sense and i could see the 'bigger picture' then it all clicked, and now ive hit my unit, i couldnt be happier.
Dances with Boffins: Would you agree some of the instructors push you much further on a recourse, opening your eyes to new possibilities and different ways to handle traffic because you have that extra capacity? That was by far the best experience, oh yeah an a320 doing 400kts into the hold at TAM! lets see how you deal with that mr.recourse....
hope that helps, any questions, feel free to PM me.
However, it is not to say that you should bank on a recourse, if you are female then yes by all means you will be recoursed over and over again until you pass. If you are a bloke, it depends on other factors, but mainly if they believe you were 'nearly' there on the course you failed. Personally, i was very thankful for my recourse, i was hanging on by my fingertips for the course, but on the recourse it all made perfect sense and i could see the 'bigger picture' then it all clicked, and now ive hit my unit, i couldnt be happier.
Dances with Boffins: Would you agree some of the instructors push you much further on a recourse, opening your eyes to new possibilities and different ways to handle traffic because you have that extra capacity? That was by far the best experience, oh yeah an a320 doing 400kts into the hold at TAM! lets see how you deal with that mr.recourse....
hope that helps, any questions, feel free to PM me.
