Boy pilot died after tower gave suprise instruction

[Foxy Loxy]

I don't suggest for one second that anyone should.

Foxy

[coolbeans]

Foxy, I feel very sad indeed for everyone involved in this tragedy.
However, we must not forget the factors that led up to the accident lest they recur.

I don't think anyone is going to forget the factors involved, here. From the ATC side we are reminded of the necessity of standard RT, maneuvers on final approach and understanding the limitations of low hour pilots. Pilots are reminded of the risks involved in not cleaning an aicraft up for a go around.

We've all taken these lessons to heart, unfortunately this thread seems to have degenerated an us and them pissing match, all of the pertinent points have been examined and debated for the last 6 pages of this thread and a few others on the board, I dont think we can add anything new to it

As Foxy says lets take away the parts that will make us better, safer controllers and pilots and let this discusion drop.

[Single Spey]

coolbeans

As Foxy says lets take away the parts that will make us better, safer controllers and pilots and let this discusion drop.

Wholeheartedly agree. So in addition to the AAIB was there an ATC investigation by SRG/CAA and was an ATSIN issued reminding controllers of the circumstances and all the other good points that you mention? What other methods for passing on the lessons to the ATC community have been used? I am not aware of publicity of the ATC aspects of this accident being publicised by GATCO in their Transmit magazine either.

Foxy Loxy

As you worked at Southend would you be able to answer my previous question:

Incidentally, does anyone know if the Southend Aerodrome controller has access to a surveillance display of any sort?

[Under_the_radar]

Single Spey

Having read your numerous posts in this thread I would be interested to know where you undertook your ATC training and how long you have been captaining 747's for?

Get the distinct feeling that where ATC is concerned you have a bit of a chip on your shoulder, if this is wrong and you are just genereally like that, I stand corrected.

[coolbeans]

Wholeheartedly agree. So in addition to the AAIB was there an ATC investigation by SRG/CAA and was an ATSIN issued reminding controllers of the circumstances and all the other good points that you mention? What other methods for passing on the lessons to the ATC community have been used? I am not aware of publicity of the ATC aspects of this accident being publicised by GATCO in their Transmit magazine either.

There quite possibly has been, I'm aware at my unit, the incident has been discussed and parallels drawn with what could happen with our operation, the report has also been posted for ATCO's to read, I'm not sure how much more hand holding controllers need to make sure they take the lessons away with them.
I'm certain that an ongoing pi$$ing contest on Pprune isn't going to help anyone though, the debate has been and gone

[Single Spey]

Under_the_radar:

Having read your numerous posts in this thread I would be interested to know where you undertook your ATC training and how long you have been captaining 747's for?

Get the distinct feeling that where ATC is concerned you have a bit of a chip on your shoulder, if this is wrong and you are just genereally like that, I stand corrected

I have never claimed to have undertaken any ATC training, nor that I am a captain of a 747.

But then again I have never claimed NOT to have undertaken any ATC training, nor that I am NOT a captain of a 747.

Not sure either about the chip on the shoulder - maybe I am just like that.....

[Foxy Loxy]

We can all learn from what happened. Leave this alone now. Please.

Foxy

[PPRuNe Radar]

It's going round in circles now and I think everything has been said.

Thread closed.