Mil/civ airports
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I am looking for any info of shared, military/civilian airports (airspace) preferebly with jet fighter base (F-16).
I work as an APS controller serving a civilian airport and F-16 base (roughly 7NM between runways), the fighter use some very non-standard manouvers and phraseology, I would appreciate any comments from someone with more experience.
I work as an APS controller serving a civilian airport and F-16 base (roughly 7NM between runways), the fighter use some very non-standard manouvers and phraseology, I would appreciate any comments from someone with more experience.
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Well... you need to be wide awake with the fighter boys....they`re a whole lot quicker than the heavies.... they can do 3 ccts in the time a heavy does 1. You mention 7nm between rwy`s...is this two different airfields...? The fighters have different ways of joining for landing..... the classic fighter initial with break...low level, we have a maximum speed of 350kts unless its just one then he can do whatever as long as he does not go boom.... or at about 3000` depending on traffic/rules etc....and then a typical IFR arrival pattern but flown very much faster...about 280kts until established on the final approach path....or a practiced forced lob....from overhead 6000`(a/c type dependant) to final in one swoop....
If you`ve never worked military before...get some dual first....one fighter is a handful...10 is chaotic...
I have to admit though ...its very very interesting and I like...I like
Goose Bay...are you reading this...???
If you`ve never worked military before...get some dual first....one fighter is a handful...10 is chaotic...
I have to admit though ...its very very interesting and I like...I like
Goose Bay...are you reading this...???
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There are Air National Guard/Air Force Reserve fighter units in the US which are co-located with civilian airports. KDLH comes to mind with F16s. What sort of info were you looking for?
You'd think that issuing an immediate takeoff to that 172 (or A320) just as the flight of F16s break in the overhead would work....
--Dave
You'd think that issuing an immediate takeoff to that 172 (or A320) just as the flight of F16s break in the overhead would work....
--Dave
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I wonder who's responsible for issuing all those "cleared for initial", SFO and high-key type of commands as they are completely non-standard and moreover are not explained in any type of civilian document I know.
USA is a different story, how about good old Europe?
USA is a different story, how about good old Europe?
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wonder who's responsible for issuing all those "cleared for initial", SFO and high-key type of commands as they are completely non-standard and moreover are not explained in any type of civilian document I know.
Seriously though, why there is a need for such diversity in R/T instruction is puzzling, confusing to the unitiated, and possibly unsafe(?). If there is a need to retain certain phrases, perhasp these should be published with the caveat (Mil Only) - although in the UK there is such blurring of the edges with Mil pilots flying civilian registered a/c, Civilian pilots flying Mil a/c and Civil pilots flying Civil a/c on mil contracts - quite where you'd draw that line would take a NATO STANAG Committee fifty years to resolve!
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Does ENGM still have a mil side? I seem to remember the RNorAF had F-16s there.
Bodų/ENBO on the other hand has 2 Sqns of F-16s mixed with approx 36.000 civ movements on the same runway.
And yes, the mil boys do have a lot of special RT, especially the UK ones.
