Silly little book from the CAA
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I am outraged at the pathetic atitude. We are all guilty of poor RT at times whether you admit it or not. Some of the references to changes are concerning - if anyone had ever read CAP413 they would know that there are no changes but it is simply accepted that the 'slang' we often hear on the RT is acceptable and has become the norm- and it is not.
Let us also consider that if it were not a fact that there are a very high proportion of incidents in the UK are caused or contributed to by poor or incorrect RT then there would be no need for such a reminder but the facts prove it all - we are at fault on occasion and in some cases positively dangerous. Many Pilots have not undergone any refresher training for RT since they qualified and in many airlines it is not a core part of their base checks. So lets not all be full of bravado and pretent to be offended because of how GOOD we are because the facts show we are not all that good on the whole and is it not about time that instead of knocking the people that at least try to do something - in their own time - while many of us sit on our fat behinds drinking red wine we support some possitive action. - it it stops one air miss or worse it IS worth it
Let us also consider that if it were not a fact that there are a very high proportion of incidents in the UK are caused or contributed to by poor or incorrect RT then there would be no need for such a reminder but the facts prove it all - we are at fault on occasion and in some cases positively dangerous. Many Pilots have not undergone any refresher training for RT since they qualified and in many airlines it is not a core part of their base checks. So lets not all be full of bravado and pretent to be offended because of how GOOD we are because the facts show we are not all that good on the whole and is it not about time that instead of knocking the people that at least try to do something - in their own time - while many of us sit on our fat behinds drinking red wine we support some possitive action. - it it stops one air miss or worse it IS worth it
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In the Scottish TMA for example:
RAC : Q)EGPX/QATXX/I/NBO/E/030/245/5543N00352W045
FROM 07/01/22 00:00 TO 07/07/31 23:59 B0064/07
E)SCOTTISH TMA DEPARTURE SPEED RESTICTION
A TRIAL OF MAINTAINING THE PUBLISHED SPEED RESTRICTION WILL BE
APPLIED TO ACFT DEPARTING ON SIDS FROM EGPF EGPH AND EGPK, CREWS ARE CURRENTLY REQUIRED TO OBSERVE AN IAS LIMIT OF 250KTS BELOW FL100.
SCACC TMA CONTROLLERS SHALL NOT CANCEL THIS SPEED RESTRICTION, UNLESS THERE ARE OVERIDING SAFETY REASONS FOR DOING SO, OR THE PILOT REPORTS THAT HE IS UNABLE TO COMPLY WITH THE SPEED RESTRICTION DUE TO THE ACFT CONFIGURATION.
THE BENIFITS SHOULD BE THAT DEPARTURE SEPARATIONS ARE MAINTAINED FOR LONGER, REDUCED BUNCHING BELOW FL100, MORE PREDICTABLE TRAFFIC FLOWS, A REDUCTION IN RTF, IMPROVE TRACK KEEPING/SID ADHERENCE AND AND IMPROVED CLIMB PERFORMANCE ON MOST ACFT TYPES
FROM 07/01/22 00:00 TO 07/07/31 23:59 B0064/07
E)SCOTTISH TMA DEPARTURE SPEED RESTICTION
A TRIAL OF MAINTAINING THE PUBLISHED SPEED RESTRICTION WILL BE
APPLIED TO ACFT DEPARTING ON SIDS FROM EGPF EGPH AND EGPK, CREWS ARE CURRENTLY REQUIRED TO OBSERVE AN IAS LIMIT OF 250KTS BELOW FL100.
SCACC TMA CONTROLLERS SHALL NOT CANCEL THIS SPEED RESTRICTION, UNLESS THERE ARE OVERIDING SAFETY REASONS FOR DOING SO, OR THE PILOT REPORTS THAT HE IS UNABLE TO COMPLY WITH THE SPEED RESTRICTION DUE TO THE ACFT CONFIGURATION.
THE BENIFITS SHOULD BE THAT DEPARTURE SEPARATIONS ARE MAINTAINED FOR LONGER, REDUCED BUNCHING BELOW FL100, MORE PREDICTABLE TRAFFIC FLOWS, A REDUCTION IN RTF, IMPROVE TRACK KEEPING/SID ADHERENCE AND AND IMPROVED CLIMB PERFORMANCE ON MOST ACFT TYPES
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Silly little book
ATCO4114,
I must agree that it is a sad reflection that many pilots appear not to appreciate some of the intricacies of RTF. Within UK it is a pity that once a pilot has been through the FRTOL exam there is little further examination by examiners other than perhaps SOPS and checks within the airlines. ATCO's are checked yearly and only recently I have witnessed SRG commenting on RTF standards and procedures.
Perhaps the CAA Chief Examiner should look again at some of the regulatory requirements of the FRTOL licence.
The booklet was I'm sure published with the best of intentions however as seen within this thread some mistakes were made prior to publishing and hopefully a correction will be forthcoming in the near future !!
Having said all this I do feel over the years the majority of RTF has improved somewhat.
I must agree that it is a sad reflection that many pilots appear not to appreciate some of the intricacies of RTF. Within UK it is a pity that once a pilot has been through the FRTOL exam there is little further examination by examiners other than perhaps SOPS and checks within the airlines. ATCO's are checked yearly and only recently I have witnessed SRG commenting on RTF standards and procedures.
Perhaps the CAA Chief Examiner should look again at some of the regulatory requirements of the FRTOL licence.
The booklet was I'm sure published with the best of intentions however as seen within this thread some mistakes were made prior to publishing and hopefully a correction will be forthcoming in the near future !!
Having said all this I do feel over the years the majority of RTF has improved somewhat.
