Low visibility Ops - Airborne call ? - Runway vacated, yes ( Germany )
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Low visibility Ops - Airborne call ? - Runway vacated, yes ( Germany )
Hi,
I got this little problem where we had a discussion about ( Instructor and me )
In LVO Operation you got to make a call when the runway is vacated. Tower canīt see you, which is understandable.
Now I had been learning in my early days, that we have to make a airborne call to the tower, when departing in LVO.
In Germany it is normal ( except Munich ) to switch over to departure after T/O when airborne.
Does anyone know what is correct and maybe where this is written down ?
A controller should know, or ?
Thanks for any Info..
Engine3firehandle
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I got this little problem where we had a discussion about ( Instructor and me )
In LVO Operation you got to make a call when the runway is vacated. Tower canīt see you, which is understandable.
Now I had been learning in my early days, that we have to make a airborne call to the tower, when departing in LVO.
In Germany it is normal ( except Munich ) to switch over to departure after T/O when airborne.
Does anyone know what is correct and maybe where this is written down ?
A controller should know, or ?
Thanks for any Info..
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Departure call
Have a look at the SID description. As far as I know on every German airport except Munich you have to call the departure frequency when airborne, regardless of flight conditions. To me LVP donīt make any difference to VMC ops (departurewise).
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Sorry, maybe I was not exact enough.
When in LVO conditions RVR less than 400m, is it mandatory to call airborne after departure, as it is mandatory ( what I know for sure ) to make after landing a "runway vacated" call, when on the taxiway, behind the crossing lights..
Departure call is mandatory in Germany. But I mean a call to the tower before switching to Radar.
is it too special ? Maybe i should write an email to DFS about it
DFS = Deutsche Flugsicherung = ATC Germany
When in LVO conditions RVR less than 400m, is it mandatory to call airborne after departure, as it is mandatory ( what I know for sure ) to make after landing a "runway vacated" call, when on the taxiway, behind the crossing lights..
Departure call is mandatory in Germany. But I mean a call to the tower before switching to Radar.
is it too special ? Maybe i should write an email to DFS about it
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I checked the AIP and asked a few colleges. There is neither a need to call airborne nor to call RWY vacateed (or clear of color coded lights in case of LVP).
If you give that reports - fine - but they are not mandatory (except they are requested by the controller). I guess it is the same at the other 'bigger' airports, but i can't be sure in that case.
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Saigor
If you give that reports - fine - but they are not mandatory (except they are requested by the controller). I guess it is the same at the other 'bigger' airports, but i can't be sure in that case.
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Saigor
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As far as I know there are no standard rules for this - although you may find some airports have AIP entries with local procedures.
Whether a controller wants to know about airborne or runway vacated will depend on a lot of things. For example if something else depends on knowing that the runway is no longer occupied, say, to give the next inbound a landing clearance. It will also depend on what type of equipment there is available to the controller - a good 'Advanced-Surface Movement Guidance and Control System, A-SMGCS, will normally tell the controller everything he or she needs to know.
Then there are individual controller preferences - some ask for such a report simply for confrmation that your day is not going horribly wrong!
Whether a controller wants to know about airborne or runway vacated will depend on a lot of things. For example if something else depends on knowing that the runway is no longer occupied, say, to give the next inbound a landing clearance. It will also depend on what type of equipment there is available to the controller - a good 'Advanced-Surface Movement Guidance and Control System, A-SMGCS, will normally tell the controller everything he or she needs to know.
Then there are individual controller preferences - some ask for such a report simply for confrmation that your day is not going horribly wrong!
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thank you
Thanks Saigor and thanks Spitoon
this was a good news, since I was told it is mandatory a long time ago and my instructor told me - only runway vacated is mandatory..
so nothing is mandatory and just a technic..
if not mentioned in some special AIP which we do not have..
Saigor by the way... I used to fly out of Munich the A340/330/346 ;-)
mostly the late evening flights..that come home so early in the morning
you know which ones :-)
Danke fürs Nachschauen
this was a good news, since I was told it is mandatory a long time ago and my instructor told me - only runway vacated is mandatory..
so nothing is mandatory and just a technic..
if not mentioned in some special AIP which we do not have..
Saigor by the way... I used to fly out of Munich the A340/330/346 ;-)
mostly the late evening flights..that come home so early in the morning
you know which ones :-)
Danke fürs Nachschauen
