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................which goes to prove my point no matter how smart you think you are and how much you think you know, somebody is always smarter and knows more than you and will readily point it out 
I really wish I could spell good....thanks Gonze. Ironic? No. Moronic? Maybe.
I really wish I could spell good....thanks Gonze. Ironic? No. Moronic? Maybe.
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Ahh, you know me well!
Seems you're not the only one though, there are numerous results in a well known search engine for 'Sirrus aircraft'. Even one edition of the EAA newsletter misspelled it...you're in good company!
Seems you're not the only one though, there are numerous results in a well known search engine for 'Sirrus aircraft'. Even one edition of the EAA newsletter misspelled it...you're in good company!
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Gulp,
You guys are scaring me! I have my initial assessment for NATS on April 24th, and as i am not a spotter, i feel more apprehensive about this than the actual tests themselves!!! I fear that even if i get through this stage, i will be thrown to the lions in the next, especially as i am former cabin crew, yikes! Please consider that many people who apply would be leaving well paid jobs for what can only be described as a pittance for a few years and so the money is not the motivation for all non-spotters.
Obviously i know a little bit about aviation, and am also doing my homework, hence my signing up to this forum, and Gonzo, exactly how large would a bribe have to be for you to consider it?
You guys are scaring me! I have my initial assessment for NATS on April 24th, and as i am not a spotter, i feel more apprehensive about this than the actual tests themselves!!! I fear that even if i get through this stage, i will be thrown to the lions in the next, especially as i am former cabin crew, yikes! Please consider that many people who apply would be leaving well paid jobs for what can only be described as a pittance for a few years and so the money is not the motivation for all non-spotters.
Obviously i know a little bit about aviation, and am also doing my homework, hence my signing up to this forum, and Gonzo, exactly how large would a bribe have to be for you to consider it?
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Lenny,
No need to worry mate. On my course of 36, back in the day, there were maybe a handful who were really interested in aviation.
Let me say this loudly:
Not having a strong interest in aviation is no barrier to becoming an ATCO.
Oh, and not a lot, as I've said before, I'm very cheap.
No need to worry mate. On my course of 36, back in the day, there were maybe a handful who were really interested in aviation.
Let me say this loudly:
Not having a strong interest in aviation is no barrier to becoming an ATCO.
Oh, and not a lot, as I've said before, I'm very cheap.
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Ok no need to shout at me! Am female too, and probably older than most applicants so i am expecting to be somewhere at bottom of pile during selection, however i intend to give it as much as i can.
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I say again -
I now regret starting this thread. The whole spotter vs non spotter scenario is cringeworthy. Like several pprune discussions it turns into a "my dad is bigger than yours" debate. I would have otherwise ignored it, but now feel responsible for starting it.
Read the title : "NATS advert" - it had more to do with the fact NATS "recruit" on commercial FM.
Gonzo will probably be able to illustrate how this affects the selection process. Perhaps more quantity / less quality to start with ?
I didn't even look at the motivation papers provided by NATS as it was all very basic aviation information.
I can see someone with no interest in that stuff going through VOR and SID and finding it very boring.
Easy and interesting beats difficult and boring in my book, so I guess those could be the advantages of having an interest in the subject, still, as correctly pointed out, with no relation whatsoever to whether it makes you a better or worse ATCO.
At the end of the day, there aren't any bad ATCOs. are there ?
I now regret starting this thread. The whole spotter vs non spotter scenario is cringeworthy. Like several pprune discussions it turns into a "my dad is bigger than yours" debate. I would have otherwise ignored it, but now feel responsible for starting it.
Read the title : "NATS advert" - it had more to do with the fact NATS "recruit" on commercial FM.
Gonzo will probably be able to illustrate how this affects the selection process. Perhaps more quantity / less quality to start with ?
I didn't even look at the motivation papers provided by NATS as it was all very basic aviation information.
I can see someone with no interest in that stuff going through VOR and SID and finding it very boring.
Easy and interesting beats difficult and boring in my book, so I guess those could be the advantages of having an interest in the subject, still, as correctly pointed out, with no relation whatsoever to whether it makes you a better or worse ATCO.
At the end of the day, there aren't any bad ATCOs. are there ?
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No, don't regret posting the thread. It's all helpful and informative, i didn't respond to an ad as such, mine was a speculative viewing of the NATS site, which i suppose suggests i have more of an interest than those lured by the 85k temptation. I was just suggesting that for those of us who are not aviation experts, it's all a little intimidating, especially compared to the way the website portrays the job. I totally believe that somebody with sound aviation knowledge is a better candidate for the job, my point in fact was that the initial confidence i had has pretty much gone after reading such posts. Whereas i previously thought i had a small chance, i now think theres more chance of getting a pilot to pay for a round of drinks
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i now think theres more chance of getting a pilot to pay for a round of drinks .
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High hopes, don't worry about this thread.....the topic rears its head once every year or so, and it is oft debated in the rest room.
Lenny, one thing you'll learn about ATCOs is that they love dishing out the banter and have strong views on lots of subjects. As long as you can take it (and give it back
) you'll do fine.
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Gonzo, Lnl said earlier he was always surprised by those who claim no interest in aviation in this job, and by the fact that it isn't something of a requirement for entry, now yes it doesn't say I can't apply but it quite clearly says he feels I don't meet his entrance requirements. Jerricho asked the question which I beleive meant he would have given Candidate A the job i.e someone with an interest would deserve this job over someone without - that'll be me not deserving the job then if someone with an interest wants it instead. You concurred with GT3 when he stated that it was key to the role of an ATCO. All of this says that either I didn't meet the requirements to get the job or was less qualified to do it than someone with an interest. You obviously took the same inference from vintage ATCO's post that I did otherwise you would not have posted your reply about candidates having a great interest in planes, is that pointing it out to you enough or are you just going to claim something different was said/meant like GT3. My comment about being told I should not even apply was based not only on this thread but others of a similar nature, ATCO/Trainee ATCO's pay scale for example where the person who started this thread, and now says we are cringeworthy stated on one of those 'Is the 85k lure going to attract people for the money?
Maybe. They won't make it anyway, it takes more than money drive to pass the selection.'
Sorry to rant since I have obviously loked again at some of these threads and you and Jerricho both appear open minded on the subject but there are a lot with a different viewpoint.
And unless you desperately want me to reply to something else, which I would find hard to believe, I will agree agree with LnL about one thing and agree to disagree.
Maybe. They won't make it anyway, it takes more than money drive to pass the selection.'
Sorry to rant since I have obviously loked again at some of these threads and you and Jerricho both appear open minded on the subject but there are a lot with a different viewpoint.
And unless you desperately want me to reply to something else, which I would find hard to believe, I will agree agree with LnL about one thing and agree to disagree.
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Lenny
Well Lenny
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Good Luck.
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Good Luck.
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Character assasinations? How ironic
MMM I don't believe I mentioned anyone by name.
Aw Fidgel would the truth tarnish the company name.
Funny how NATS brought in drug testing in Jan 2006. They're even urine testing trainees now. Yer a Machiavellian shower.
She better not vector any aircraft myself or my kids(family) are in.
I'm lucky I had an education and well paid career to fall back on.
Advice to anyone don't step off the property ladder to work for these people.
Don't ask too much advice or reveal yourself in this forum, there are sad judgmental gits out there waiting to pounce.
I can laugh now about NATS ....
I remeber my class being held back from having lunch so a vain glorious instructor could pose with us in the background for his pic in NATS News. I never got anything decent to eat that day
Being hundreds of miles from any city with culture.
Socialising with some socially inept parochial small town geeks who were jealous if you went out and got laid.
There were some very great people there though, instructors/managers and trainees.
Fascinating job,(crap lifestyle though) but always weigh up if it's worth the sacrifice.
My only regret is walking out before my flying lessons but I've remedied that.
Edit away cowards. Here all week folks. There are two sides to every story.
Good luck Lenny
Aw Fidgel would the truth tarnish the company name.
Funny how NATS brought in drug testing in Jan 2006. They're even urine testing trainees now. Yer a Machiavellian shower.
She better not vector any aircraft myself or my kids(family) are in.
I'm lucky I had an education and well paid career to fall back on.
Advice to anyone don't step off the property ladder to work for these people.
Don't ask too much advice or reveal yourself in this forum, there are sad judgmental gits out there waiting to pounce.
I can laugh now about NATS ....
I remeber my class being held back from having lunch so a vain glorious instructor could pose with us in the background for his pic in NATS News. I never got anything decent to eat that day
Being hundreds of miles from any city with culture.
Socialising with some socially inept parochial small town geeks who were jealous if you went out and got laid.
There were some very great people there though, instructors/managers and trainees.
Fascinating job,(crap lifestyle though) but always weigh up if it's worth the sacrifice.
My only regret is walking out before my flying lessons but I've remedied that.
Edit away cowards. Here all week folks. There are two sides to every story.
Good luck Lenny
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Happy to be a coward and leave your last post for others to judge for themselves. One side of the story could have been that you were simply not up to the task of being an ATCO and so have a bit of a grudge ...... maybe not though.
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Scotslivet,
Correct me if i'm wrong - i often am,
BUT you didn't make it through the college did you?
Walk or pushed????
Lenny - apply, go through the tests and see what happens. You have to have a thick skin to do this job, and banter is the way 'we' get over things.
good luck
Correct me if i'm wrong - i often am,
BUT you didn't make it through the college did you?
Walk or pushed????
Lenny - apply, go through the tests and see what happens. You have to have a thick skin to do this job, and banter is the way 'we' get over things.
good luck
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Not up to the task of being an ATCO, Radar spare me that please. I was being harassed from day three by an individual with a guilty conscience worried about their career. Whether I was or wasn't up to the job could never have been accurately assessed.
Perhaps it wasn't the life for me though.
The post you (perhaps wisely)deleted gave a better picture. Wonder how her urine test went
Flyboy I was being pushed so i took the NATS pay off and walked. I had a better life back home. Alot was brushed under the carpet. For me it turned out for the best though. Life is very good and I couldn't imagine my life still being on hold while studying.
To anyone in the know I'm sure if myself and that harlot banshee's roles had been reversed in the situation she created... I'd have been told to shut up and get on with my work. Not in the same unit,town or even county. Not even in the same stream. Ho hum
One thing I did particularly dislike was doubt being put on me being at RAF Cranwell in 1998 by a certain Swanwick Watch Manager. I never got a chance to tell him what I thought of that(lucky for him)...aye that miffed me for a little while.
Best wishes and good luck to all going for it.
nuff said c'est tout.
Perhaps it wasn't the life for me though.
The post you (perhaps wisely)deleted gave a better picture. Wonder how her urine test went
Flyboy I was being pushed so i took the NATS pay off and walked. I had a better life back home. Alot was brushed under the carpet. For me it turned out for the best though. Life is very good and I couldn't imagine my life still being on hold while studying.
To anyone in the know I'm sure if myself and that harlot banshee's roles had been reversed in the situation she created... I'd have been told to shut up and get on with my work. Not in the same unit,town or even county. Not even in the same stream. Ho hum
One thing I did particularly dislike was doubt being put on me being at RAF Cranwell in 1998 by a certain Swanwick Watch Manager. I never got a chance to tell him what I thought of that(lucky for him)...aye that miffed me for a little while.
Best wishes and good luck to all going for it.
nuff said c'est tout.
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