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Doesn't it seem very co-incidental that just as the legality of the banding issue seems to be being looked for being discriminatory; a commitee is being set up to 'look at it'?
Talk about closing the stable door...
And back to my original point, it's not about whether some think others deserve the same as them or not, it's about whether it's LEGAL or not according to EU Law.
But...while it's popped up; surely Mr Baron must realise, or SHOULD realise, how divisive the banding issue has been and still is. If he really is interested in moving the company forward then he must know it has to be addressed. As in law...ignorance is no defence.
Talk about closing the stable door...
And back to my original point, it's not about whether some think others deserve the same as them or not, it's about whether it's LEGAL or not according to EU Law.
But...while it's popped up; surely Mr Baron must realise, or SHOULD realise, how divisive the banding issue has been and still is. If he really is interested in moving the company forward then he must know it has to be addressed. As in law...ignorance is no defence.
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As far as I am aware it is legal for companies to pay different rates in different parts of the UK for people engaged in the same work. This just reflects the cost of living in those areas.
And as for the mobile clause I beleive there already has been a legal challenge to this and it was confirmed as legal.
And as for the mobile clause I beleive there already has been a legal challenge to this and it was confirmed as legal.
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MNT...as far as I am aware the banding is not to represent different cost of living. I think we all agree that some people need slightly more to live in more expensive areas. This doesn't mean that I should get paid less for working my hiney off at EGCC when its just as busy as the next unit. The Banding was to represent different traffic shifting. Which as mentioned has been proved frequently to be flawed.
Surely if Postman pat was paid less money to post his letters in Manchester than cousin Patricia in London there would be uproar in posty land? Yes Patricia may have to pay slightly more for a loaf but they both shift the same amount of letters?
Surely if Postman pat was paid less money to post his letters in Manchester than cousin Patricia in London there would be uproar in posty land? Yes Patricia may have to pay slightly more for a loaf but they both shift the same amount of letters?
Just had my council tax demand; just over 1600 quid. But I'm a Band 1 controller so how come I'm not paid more to reflect the cost of living in this area?
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Band 2 and Council tax £1900 and that ain't connected to the sewerage.House prices here are now 100% over asking price
That's right DOUBLE. 
Oh we have a Banding committee.Traffic was 5th busiest in UK the other month so stand by for Band 0
.I've seen it all before.We'll get treated again like my septic tank.S
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That's right DOUBLE. Oh we have a Banding committee.Traffic was 5th busiest in UK the other month so stand by for Band 0
.I've seen it all before.We'll get treated again like my septic tank.S t
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mobility..
There seems to be a number of people who were happy to be on a mobile grade before they were actually mobilised... Sign the contract then moan when it doesn't suit..
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I signed my contract over 38 years ago. During that time I have moved extensively within CAA/NATS throughout the UK. I have worked, controlling, instructing and examining in major airports and later in ACC's. Never once have I moaned about moving.
My original thread was hoping for no unhelpful comments about colleagues or generalisations about colleagues or places from people who this move does not concern.
My thread was not about wether I want to move or not, it doesn't affect me at my age; It was about wether the,
Banding
Mobile Grade,
was in fact legal.
That's all. Plain and simple.
It was not an opportunity for people to have a pop at each other.
Unfortunate that certain folk just can't resist that temptation.
My original thread was hoping for no unhelpful comments about colleagues or generalisations about colleagues or places from people who this move does not concern.
My thread was not about wether I want to move or not, it doesn't affect me at my age; It was about wether the,
Banding
Mobile Grade,
was in fact legal.
That's all. Plain and simple.
It was not an opportunity for people to have a pop at each other.
Unfortunate that certain folk just can't resist that temptation.
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Begbie,
I think you must already be in ATC heaven.Sounds like you did very well out of Banding.
Good for you.
Some people got the S tty end of the stick.Their traffic is showing double digit growth PA,have to use mutiple ratings,and just got plain screwed by Prospect.I'm sure that if you have terms and conditions imposed on you,because the majority of people that voted in favour, were getting a far better deal,then to me it's a bit suspect.Given Nats/Prospect treatment of some smaller units,and the people there I wouldn't be surprised.
We all know that there is a lot of Skygods in Band 5 land,but have consideration for others on lower Bands.
I think you must already be in ATC heaven.Sounds like you did very well out of Banding.
Good for you. Some people got the S
tty end of the stick.Their traffic is showing double digit growth PA,have to use mutiple ratings,and just got plain screwed by Prospect.I'm sure that if you have terms and conditions imposed on you,because the majority of people that voted in favour, were getting a far better deal,then to me it's a bit suspect.Given Nats/Prospect treatment of some smaller units,and the people there I wouldn't be surprised.We all know that there is a lot of Skygods in Band 5 land,but have consideration for others on lower Bands.
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Especially as we have taken some of the sectors off our southern brethren that initially made them 'eligible' to be band 5 and actually move more a/c per controller (proven)with a far more rigid scratcoh system ( I'm not sure wether they even have one of those). To make matters worse, when our southern brethren visit us they are always surprised at how many working hours per day we actually work on the radar itself, manning the very same sectors they did...with the same traffic...and a third of the manpower.
And...though I may wish I wasn't, due to the unfortunate expletives,
I'm actually from the same planet as you. No need to ask which unit your banding is grouped into though...
And...though I may wish I wasn't, due to the unfortunate expletives,
I'm actually from the same planet as you. No need to ask which unit your banding is grouped into though...
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Begbie,
Or not getting paid for variety in traffic,the most diverse in th UK,yet the Band 4 center gets it.Or having 4 runways that can be used at the same time,but nothing for it either.
I reckon that I have to do radar,for NOTHING.Band1 tower only unit,which is Band 2 for people there prior to the agreement get the same,yet we are busier,have extra ratings etc.So I do radar for zilch.
All the lower units are looking for is fairness.Not a system that is purely engineered for centers and London units.The Banding issue needs fixed now.
Mobility,
Well the skygods put a big spanner in that cog,by insisting that people who are experience,OJTI etc,need to be assessed for stardom.Yet kids still come out of the college and go to Band 4/5 units with no experience,or assessment.If that isn't patronising staff I don't know what is.
No I think the person on another F ing planet is you.
Or not getting paid for variety in traffic,the most diverse in th UK,yet the Band 4 center gets it.Or having 4 runways that can be used at the same time,but nothing for it either.
I reckon that I have to do radar,for NOTHING.Band1 tower only unit,which is Band 2 for people there prior to the agreement get the same,yet we are busier,have extra ratings etc.So I do radar for zilch.
All the lower units are looking for is fairness.Not a system that is purely engineered for centers and London units.The Banding issue needs fixed now.
Mobility,
Well the skygods put a big spanner in that cog,by insisting that people who are experience,OJTI etc,need to be assessed for stardom.Yet kids still come out of the college and go to Band 4/5 units with no experience,or assessment.If that isn't patronising staff I don't know what is.
No I think the person on another F
ing planet is you.
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Ah banding-I remember some years ago when a number of atcos from Jockwick Centre came down south to pick up the easy money on offer at West Drayton.As I recall(Alzheimers permitting)a nice round number validated--0 being the perfect round number.
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I remember some years ago when a number of atcos from Jockwick Centre came down south to pick up the easy money on offer at West Drayton.As I recall(Alzheimers permitting)a nice round number validated--0 being the perfect round number
Jockwick