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To be fair to RYR, over the past couple of years, I believe the disparity in standard of R/T between the likes of RYR and BA has decreased.... I think RYR have improved slightly and that BA have got worse... It's not just BA either, but as you mentioned the 'home grown' airlines as an analogy, I thought I would use them.
When I say R/T I mean pronunciation as well as telling me the required info without me having to quiz pilots for what they should be telling me!
Getting sick of the amount of calls from numerous airlines in the LTMA stating only "ABC123 airborne" or less on departure!! And I'm not fecking Heathrow or Gatwick either Mr Pilot (I work for a living
) - it's London Control.. listen to the tower when they transfer you!!
To be fair to RYR, over the past couple of years, I believe the disparity in standard of R/T between the likes of RYR and BA has decreased.... I think RYR have improved slightly and that BA have got worse... It's not just BA either, but as you mentioned the 'home grown' airlines as an analogy, I thought I would use them.
When I say R/T I mean pronunciation as well as telling me the required info without me having to quiz pilots for what they should be telling me!
Getting sick of the amount of calls from numerous airlines in the LTMA stating only "ABC123 airborne" or less on departure!! And I'm not fecking Heathrow or Gatwick either Mr Pilot (I work for a living
) - it's London Control.. listen to the tower when they transfer you!!
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RYR-738-Jockey, have you ever heard somebody possessed of a strong Dublin accent speaking? Believe me, the pronunciation of "zero" would be exactly as you've described.
Nothing to do with ICAO dictats!
Nothing to do with ICAO dictats!
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Gonzo,
I just know you guys at Heathrow and the guys at KK say "contact Heathrow/Gatwick" to departures, just to make you sound bigger
!!
Won't work though, Mr Barron will still want to chop all of our benefits
I just know you guys at Heathrow and the guys at KK say "contact Heathrow/Gatwick" to departures, just to make you sound bigger
!!Won't work though, Mr Barron will still want to chop all of our benefits
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As an LCE, I will be taking the matter up with all my guys if I hear them say that, except for CPTs on easterlies of course.
Anyway, what's all this nonsense? We don't have a need to feel more important than we already are!
Anyway, what's all this nonsense? We don't have a need to feel more important than we already are!
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In these Barron-esque times, we all need to 'big ourselves up' as todays yoof would say.
Think it's the pilots ears that need cleaning out, not the towers chaps and chappesses mouths... also a lack of understanding by pilots (and to be fair, it's understandable) about divisions of responsibility within the TMA.
They don't care if its Heathrow/Gatwick/London/ or wherever... it's just annoying having to correct them (to comply with correct R/T procedures... not anal retentitveness!!)
Think it's the pilots ears that need cleaning out, not the towers chaps and chappesses mouths... also a lack of understanding by pilots (and to be fair, it's understandable) about divisions of responsibility within the TMA.
They don't care if its Heathrow/Gatwick/London/ or wherever... it's just annoying having to correct them (to comply with correct R/T procedures... not anal retentitveness!!)
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The people who call you "Heathrow/Gatwick" have probably been told by the TWR controller, especially one of 2 or 3 at LL, to (incorrectly) "contact departures".
In the same vein, some of the people who check in with Air Deps at LL instead of just monitoring the frequency have probably been told "tower now 118.5". The same applies to FIN at LL as well. Not everyone is told "callsign only" and it isn't specified in the plates we carry on the flightdeck. (Interestingly, "callsign only" is specified for one of the scandinavian airports on the plates, but it is in such small writing and the controllers don't tell you to do it, so I often only realise after I've made the mistake and checked in with the full spiel).
... it is not just amongst the pilot community that r/t standards are slipping!
G W-H
The people who call you "Heathrow/Gatwick" have probably been told by the TWR controller, especially one of 2 or 3 at LL, to (incorrectly) "contact departures".
In the same vein, some of the people who check in with Air Deps at LL instead of just monitoring the frequency have probably been told "tower now 118.5". The same applies to FIN at LL as well. Not everyone is told "callsign only" and it isn't specified in the plates we carry on the flightdeck. (Interestingly, "callsign only" is specified for one of the scandinavian airports on the plates, but it is in such small writing and the controllers don't tell you to do it, so I often only realise after I've made the mistake and checked in with the full spiel).
... it is not just amongst the pilot community that r/t standards are slipping!
G W-H
