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But Mr Buckler... if we went on about unsafe or unworkable procedures on here then there would be permanent threads! (and this isn't the best forum for that)
Adam, did you bring it up at last weeks LHR best practice mtg??? (between tower and approach)
Adam, did you bring it up at last weeks LHR best practice mtg??? (between tower and approach)
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I don't think the point had occured to the fellow last week.
Must have been a moment of inspiration whilst he was sat with feet on the SUP's desk yesterday!
Anyway, I wouldn't call it an unsafe procedure, just another one of those slightly grey areas that we are so fond of.
TPR
Must have been a moment of inspiration whilst he was sat with feet on the SUP's desk yesterday!
Anyway, I wouldn't call it an unsafe procedure, just another one of those slightly grey areas that we are so fond of.
TPR
You Ealing boys are all the same 
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Just before you all go off topic, I'd just like to make the point that LLZ/DME is not the way forward in my opinion. It takes away a level of safety provided by the G/S, it makes the CDA harder (not impossible, I admit) and if you consider the times of the day TEAMing often starts and how long the crews have been awake by then, hardly the best choice of solution from a human factors point of view.
That is not to say that the LLZ/DME doesn't provide an opportunity for consenting adults, just that I really don't think it should form the basis of an SOP. Duty of care and all that, after all!
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That is not to say that the LLZ/DME doesn't provide an opportunity for consenting adults, just that I really don't think it should form the basis of an SOP. Duty of care and all that, after all!
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Gonzo
As your erstwhile colleague at the time of the incident, I mean event, I would suggest that your assertion that the rules need a re-visitation is quite correct. The guranteeing of the GP to 15DME means that, once established within that distance, we in the VCR must ensure signal integrity by not transitting the GP Critical Area. Which current procedures do not fully cover.
And please feel free to ignore the jocks from Thames Radio. I'm sure that your post just carried more interest than the Times crossword or AlanM's latest diet book.
P7
As your erstwhile colleague at the time of the incident, I mean event, I would suggest that your assertion that the rules need a re-visitation is quite correct. The guranteeing of the GP to 15DME means that, once established within that distance, we in the VCR must ensure signal integrity by not transitting the GP Critical Area. Which current procedures do not fully cover.
And please feel free to ignore the jocks from Thames Radio. I'm sure that your post just carried more interest than the Times crossword or AlanM's latest diet book.
P7
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Any other sectors incapable of solving their own problems??
Bless them. As if they haven't wasted enough tears on the EFPS/new tower.......
Come along Point Seven - peoples destiny is in your hands... back to the office/drawing board Dale??
Welcome to the NATS the rest of the company has to deal with.
Bless them. As if they haven't wasted enough tears on the EFPS/new tower.......
Come along Point Seven - peoples destiny is in your hands... back to the office/drawing board Dale??
Welcome to the NATS the rest of the company has to deal with.
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P7, I can't even finish the SUN crossword so you have misjudged my abilities by a country mile. Anyway I'm too busy also not validating on your approach to do even the cbeebies daily crossword!
Good point Del Prado - someone gonna raise that a the next Best Practice?
TPR
Good point Del Prado - someone gonna raise that a the next Best Practice?
TPR
