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Old 11th Nov 2006, 10:29
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And don't forget Ground Control.
 
Old 11th Nov 2006, 12:31
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Aw c'mon!

You guys slate "The day Britain ground to a halt" (just like every other day then), which was one of the best doccumentaries ever, then refuse to give the producers the benefit of your wisdom to sort out the minor technical inaccuracies that creaped in. What are they supposed to do? Just guess again and make another slightly flawed show?

I'm not talking and losing my job though
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Not much help from the overpaid prima donnas then?

I'll tell you everything you want to know and I DO come cheap!
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Originally Posted by matspart3
Not much help from the overpaid prima donnas then?
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I can see it now...

"Jumbo Jets collide at Fred West International"
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"I think Die Hard 2 is much more accurate"

I agree, the bit where they use software to 'hack' into the ILS and drop the GP angle to make the i/b's crash was absolutely spot-on
Much like the first series of 'Spooks' when they altered the elevations of all the mountains, and suddenly A/c on the Awy's were in danger of CFIT and the latest series of 'Spooks' when you can wander into the centre, chat to a couple of A/c on freq. without anyone noticing, and engineer a mid-air without TCAS going off

TV make it up, the press lap it up, and the media wonder why we don't trust them

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The Day Britain Stopped (or whatever it was called) was notorious due to the BBC not bothering to accept any input from NATS and refusing to give NATS a prior viewing before it was shown to all and sundry. Typical BBC attitude.
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I'll do it for a portion of chips with curry sauce and three pints of boddies!
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Old 14th Nov 2006, 12:21
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What made me laugh about the Day Britain Stood Still was the way that controllers couldn't get to the centre to take over on LL Approach, but they could make it to the tower on time which is what 5 miles away. Curse the bloody british traffic
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Every time I chat up a babe in a Club and she asks me what I do for a living... then her eyes light up and she gets all excited and says "you wave the batons!!"...

One good thing about "Pushing Tin"... a lot of people have seen it.

You just have to say "What John Cuzak did in that film... that's what I do..."
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Old 16th Nov 2006, 13:08
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John Cusack and Billy Bob Thornton came to YYZ to train and "get into the character" of Air traffic controllers. At the start of the movie it is one of my colleagues mouth you see giving instructions.

So you slag off Pushing Tin you are slagging off all of YYZ terminal control.

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Old 16th Nov 2006, 20:19
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Yeah, you don't need Pushing Tin to do that.
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Old 17th Nov 2006, 00:22
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Pushing Tin depics the reality of ATC as much as Mel Brooks "The History of the World Pt 1" did... 'what shall we do the streets are crawling with romans?' .... ' half you men run with me and the rest will run with Mucus!'..... Why are you YYZaidians so sensitive. I get the feeling that you have a inferiority complex.
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Old 17th Nov 2006, 11:55
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Main problem with PPRUNE is people never seem to pick up on tongue in cheek comments.

Sigh!
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Old 11th Dec 2006, 21:16
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BBC research

Just saw your request for help.

I am not a controller but I have been writing books on ATC since the early 1980's.

"ABC Air Traffic Control" is now in its 9th edition. You will probably find it in Smiths or on the Ian Allan Publishing website.

Quite happy to help provided it's not the usual scare scenario that gives aviation and ATC a bad name.
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Old 11th Dec 2006, 22:42
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Hey, I read your book before I applied to be an ATCO some 8 years ago now. And then some fool gave me a job!

Many thanks for your help Sir.

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Old 11th Dec 2006, 23:18
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Same here Mr. Duke, thanks!

P7, we're getting scarily similar. We must take steps to stop this.
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Old 12th Dec 2006, 08:11
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I too read the aforementioned book and now lead an illustrious career at London's finest.

However it must be noted that I distance myself from the above two LHR controllers. I clearly cannot compete with their uniqueness.
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Old 12th Dec 2006, 10:04
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Mr Duke is indeed a most respected source for every ATCO who has entered NATS [and I suspect any other ANSP] for the last 20 years.

Read his book Mr BBC person.
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I too owe a great debt to Mr Duke for my career at a small twin runwayed airfield just west of London
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