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Old 24th Sep 2006, 15:35
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Originally Posted by anotherthing
"Wilco" is an old piece of phraseology, although perfectly valid, but it is supposed to be used for more routine conversation and not for mandatory readbacks.
"Wilco" is useful for acknowledging reporting instructions, which should not be read back.

"Songbird 123 climb FL 120"
"Climb FL 120 Songbird 123"
"Songbird 123 report passing FL 90"
"Wilco Songbird 123"
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Old 24th Sep 2006, 17:12
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is what I said - is it not Songbird??
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Old 24th Sep 2006, 18:04
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Sorry bookworm think you'll find any "Level Instructions" should be read back in full.

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Old 25th Sep 2006, 04:55
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Originally Posted by VATCO
Sorry bookworm think you'll find any "Level Instructions" should be read back in full.
Report requests are not instructions and do not need to be readback. This avoids confusion between the acknowledgment and the report.
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Old 25th Sep 2006, 06:21
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Off the top of my head, the UK CAP413 R/T Manual says that even 'report passing' instructions are to be read back in full.
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Old 25th Sep 2006, 07:49
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CAP413 is inconsistent on this issue. There is no explicit procedure mentioned, only the following examples:

Ch 3 1.2.3.1
ATC: G-CD report passing FL 80
Aircraft: Report passing FL 80 G-CD
Aircraft: G-CD passing FL 80

Ch 6 1.1.3
ATC: Fastair 345 report passing FL 70
<note no acknowledgement, only the report>
Aircraft: Fastair 345 passing FL 70 routeing direct Wicken

Ch 7 1.2
ATC: Fastair 345 report passing radial 270 Kennington VOR
Aircraft: Wilco Fastair 345

Ch 10 1.3.4
Aircraft: Borton Approach G-ABCD airborne runway 14 turning left heading 330 degrees climbing to altitude 2500 feet QNH 990 millibars, en-route Walden
ATC: G-CD Roger. Report reaching 2500 feet
Aircraft: Wilco G-CD

I agree with NIMFLT. The chance of "<bzzt> passing FL 80 G-CD" being mistaken for "Passing FL 80 G-CD" is high enough that the procedure should be not to read back reporting instructions, even when they involve levels. To do otherwise courts disaster.
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Old 25th Sep 2006, 08:48
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I yield my time on the floor to my learned friend....
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Phew. Bookworm strides confidently out of the corner he painted himself into...
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