radar control services..a question from a duffer
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radar control services..a question from a duffer
I'm flying in the open FIR en-route from A to B.
My flight rules are IFR and I want to transit a CTR "D".
On being cleared to transit the zone, I may well be given a Radar Control Service.......okay so far?
On leaving the zone and again entering the open FIR, is the RCS automatically terminated, irrespective of the controller' stating "radar service terminated"? In other words, now that I am clear of the zone, am I automatically responsible for terrain/traffic?
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My flight rules are IFR and I want to transit a CTR "D".
On being cleared to transit the zone, I may well be given a Radar Control Service.......okay so far?
On leaving the zone and again entering the open FIR, is the RCS automatically terminated, irrespective of the controller' stating "radar service terminated"? In other words, now that I am clear of the zone, am I automatically responsible for terrain/traffic?
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Originally Posted by bogbeagle
I'm flying in the open FIR en-route from A to B.
My flight rules are IFR and I want to transit a CTR "D".
On being cleared to transit the zone, I may well be given a Radar Control Service.......okay so far?
On leaving the zone and again entering the open FIR, is the RCS automatically terminated, irrespective of the controller' stating "radar service terminated"? In other words, now that I am clear of the zone, am I automatically responsible for terrain/traffic?
bogbeable
My flight rules are IFR and I want to transit a CTR "D".
On being cleared to transit the zone, I may well be given a Radar Control Service.......okay so far?
On leaving the zone and again entering the open FIR, is the RCS automatically terminated, irrespective of the controller' stating "radar service terminated"? In other words, now that I am clear of the zone, am I automatically responsible for terrain/traffic?
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Officially the controller is supposed to either downgrade or terminate the service at the zone boundary, so you should be left in no doubt, however workload or just forgetfulness may prevent this.
Be aware that unless you are on a heading you are still responsible for terrain clearance even inside CAS.
When carrying out an autonomous crossing of controlled airspace, aircraft are (or were) placed under radar control prior to entry, thus RCS IS sometimes applied outside controlled airspace.
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Originally Posted by chevvron
When carrying out an autonomous crossing of controlled airspace, aircraft are (or were) placed under radar control prior to entry, thus RCS IS sometimes applied outside controlled airspace.
If doing that I will offer a RADAR ADVISORY SERVICE only upgrading to Radar CONTROL inside the zone .
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I'm flying in the open FIR en-route from A to B.
My flight rules are IFR and I want to transit a CTR "D".
My flight rules are IFR and I want to transit a CTR "D".
Originally Posted by chevvron
I was referring to class A airways being crossed autonomously wiseguy!
Didn't see CLASS A in the original question ....
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Do people have autonomy in class D airspace anywhere in the uk?
I'm sure we may get some crossings without people talking to us when the new airspace goes live around Cardiff and Bristol but it doesn't count if u r not allowed!!
I'm sure we may get some crossings without people talking to us when the new airspace goes live around Cardiff and Bristol but it doesn't count if u r not allowed!!
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Originally Posted by Turn It Off
Do people have autonomy in class D airspace anywhere in the uk?
Originally Posted by foghorn
Be aware that unless you are on a heading you are still responsible for terrain clearance even inside CAS.
13.1 Controllers are to ensure that levels assigned to:
a) IFR flights in receipt of a radar control service
b) flights in receipt of a radar advisory service and
c) flights in receipt of a radar information service and receiving vectors;
provide adequate terrain clearance for the phase of flight as shown below...
Squibbler: An autonomous penetration of controlled airspace is carried out by approved radar units with the controller concerned being responsible for separating his traffic from all other traffic in the regulated airspace thus avoiding the need to co-ordinate.
To get back to the original question: a MATZ is class G airspace, but instructions from ATC to a military pilot in a MATZ are mandatory, thus making it radar control for military aircraft; radar advisory service may be available to participating civil aircraft.
To get back to the original question: a MATZ is class G airspace, but instructions from ATC to a military pilot in a MATZ are mandatory, thus making it radar control for military aircraft; radar advisory service may be available to participating civil aircraft.
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Military terminal controllers do not put ac in the MATZ under a RCS. Yes instructions to military ac are mandatory, in much the same way as instructions are mandatory in an ATZ to all ac, but a RIS/RAS would normally be provided.
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Chevron says
Negative Ghostrider... Radar Control is NOT provided to Mil pilots when flying within a MATZ in the UK. Yes he instructions are mandatory, but this would apply even in the pilot were under FIS, there is no need, or mandate to upgrade service to Radar Control (which IIRC can only be applied by Mil Controllers within a known traffic environment i.e. CAS)
instructions from ATC to a military pilot in a MATZ are mandatory, thus making it radar control for military aircraft
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Originally Posted by Turn It Off
I'm sure we may get some crossings without people talking to us when the new airspace goes live around Cardiff and Bristol...