Foreign language requirements for ATCOs

[atcSA]

The technology for computers has grown drastically over the couple of decades but speaking from personal experiences (ATC and computer programming), computers cannot "think" or compute the amount they need to, to actually be a 100% safe. Anyone can notice this!! Have you ever installed or downloaded a program that never needed an update or patch? Computers could possibly do this but the fact that a machine which does NOT think and runs by rules and limitations is going to have the responsibility of thousands of lives a day including mine and yours, makes me rather whip out my bicycle.

Heaven help us if they're going to run Microsoft!?!

G

[PPRuNe Radar]

Are we talking about the same subject here ??

[Neptune262]

I assumed it was an incorrect post. Looks more for the "ATC Jobs at threat ??" thread to me.

[Lon More]

Looks more for the "ATC Jobs at threat ??" thread to me.

It's also posted there

[Lon More]

Alwaysmovin I think you meant "be able to do all co-ordination in Dutch"

You wouldn't get far with the English; although many of them speak Double Dutch

[Neptune262]

That is great. Now does the Dutch course contain specific ATC language or is it a general language course? Does the course have a test at the end of it, that all must pass? Or is the evaluation done on return to Ops room? What is this specified level that you talk of?

Thanks

[A7700]

Originally Posted by 360BakTrak

In the not too distant future, ICAO are introducing an english language exam for all pilots & ATCO's, for which you have to be proficient to at least level 6 (out of 8) to pass. Allegedly.

-There are only 6 levels, the 6th one considered as "expert" ( Expert just mean it is your mother tongue..) and this level is required for Radiotelephony
- Everything is published in DOC9835 " Manual on the Implementation of ICAO language proficiency requirements" and the annex 1 Table 2.1 state that as of 5 march 2008 the proficiency level required ( level4) should be demonstrated by ATCo's ( through national "by law" structures)
But , despite some arrogant people have decided amongst themselves that english should be the aviation language, The ICAO language proficiency requirement should be applied for all languages agreed by ICAO in radiotelephony ,which means also:Chinese,Arabic,Russian,Spanish and French.
And some lobbying activities by -.....(Feelfree to fill)......representatives- within the E.C. try to request level 5 for "complex areas or airports"....
Before to ask for "native english language speaker" only if they can make money with....

[atcSA]

Originally Posted by alwaysmovin

In Amsterdam Acc/ App you are required to do all coordination in dutch. The LVNL send new foreign atcos on an intensive dutch course before they begin their training.

What about Afrikaans? Don't they call it "Baba Hollands"?

I'm from South Africa, Do you think I will be considered?

G

P.S. Sorry about the odd post above. You are correct, it was for the "ATC jobs at threat" post. (Looking at more than window at a time!!)

[TMAguide]

atcSA....ya gotta have min 5 years radar experience, EU passport before even considering Europe. You will only become marketable after your 5 year ATNS contact-if it still exists which I am sure- is completed (nobody wants you till then anyway!)