UK Airspace Changes - 16 March
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UK Airspace Changes - 16 March
It's been a long haul, but all the points and routes are now updated on my site.
Look under Recent Changes.
Feel free to use the Overview Map to get a feel for how the new routes etc hang together. More to the point, feel free to contribute any fact or rumour about the new points and their names!
Nick
Look under Recent Changes.
Feel free to use the Overview Map to get a feel for how the new routes etc hang together. More to the point, feel free to contribute any fact or rumour about the new points and their names!
Nick
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Not that I can think of...but when I did my IR at Bournemouth quite a few of the routes involved departing bournemouth to ADSON(Well I think ADSON was actually quite a bit above us but...fond to all IR students lol) then tracking 283 I think outbound to EXMOR before wherever is required next. 
Edit : AH roger now - for the reportingpoints site!
Edit : AH roger now - for the reportingpoints site!
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The weekend climb-out fillet from SAM to EXMOR [M140] will be withdrawn, leaving the upper route [UM140] intact but difficult to access for London TMA outbound traffic. Pity because I used it a lot myself to resolve over-controlling at GIBSO and to give a short-cut.
javelin
Fantastic new route structure will really help us to move metal with less stress and less yap-yap in most cases. You will be familiar with "FL270 20 miles before CUMRI"....the new one will be " FL270 25 miles before PERUP". This may seem to be slightly more demanding but the people that built your aeroplane say that it is achievable in most conditions; if you can't make it let us know quickly because all London TMA outbounds will be climbing westbound up to FL260 and working a different sector [23].....completely safe procedures cater for slow climbers.......and for strong northerly tailwinds.
You can expect a little more speed control and level adjustment when homeward bound via BHD.....the upside is an increase in sector capacity and fewer delays, so be ready for "streaming" quite a long way out.
The weekend climb-out fillet from SAM to EXMOR [M140] will be withdrawn, leaving the upper route [UM140] intact but difficult to access for London TMA outbound traffic. Pity because I used it a lot myself to resolve over-controlling at GIBSO and to give a short-cut.
javelin
Fantastic new route structure will really help us to move metal with less stress and less yap-yap in most cases. You will be familiar with "FL270 20 miles before CUMRI"....the new one will be " FL270 25 miles before PERUP". This may seem to be slightly more demanding but the people that built your aeroplane say that it is achievable in most conditions; if you can't make it let us know quickly because all London TMA outbounds will be climbing westbound up to FL260 and working a different sector [23].....completely safe procedures cater for slow climbers.......and for strong northerly tailwinds.
You can expect a little more speed control and level adjustment when homeward bound via BHD.....the upside is an increase in sector capacity and fewer delays, so be ready for "streaming" quite a long way out.
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My dearest MONTY SID - when we had rubbish climbers you were a friend to us all at Manch. Now, alas, you have vanished into the annals, or should it be anals, of air traffic history and I want to salute your passing.
Oh Monty SID, we had some good times, we had some bad times, and we had some darn right dangerous times - I will miss you my friend.
MONTY SID.
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Oh Monty SID, we had some good times, we had some bad times, and we had some darn right dangerous times - I will miss you my friend.
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Ta for that - Here is where I come from.
Going south from MAN, I do the normal clean up and let the machine climb at it's managed speed, which with our fuel saving cost indices, is about 280kts. In an 320 or 321, you really don't have too much option to expedite - yep it will increase for a short while but then you run out of molecules over the wing and we return to 500 f.p.m. I much prefer (after speaking with MAN area) to say what I can do and take the vector if nec. That way, we keep a continuous climb and I don't embarrass the next sector by flying level putting some energy back into the thing.
One flight deck visit on a southbound from MAN will show you perfectly. PM me if you want one organised !
Ta for that - Here is where I come from.
Going south from MAN, I do the normal clean up and let the machine climb at it's managed speed, which with our fuel saving cost indices, is about 280kts. In an 320 or 321, you really don't have too much option to expedite - yep it will increase for a short while but then you run out of molecules over the wing and we return to 500 f.p.m. I much prefer (after speaking with MAN area) to say what I can do and take the vector if nec. That way, we keep a continuous climb and I don't embarrass the next sector by flying level putting some energy back into the thing.
One flight deck visit on a southbound from MAN will show you perfectly. PM me if you want one organised !
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Monty is [not] DEAD Monty is "Circle C" [Can't find "copyright"] to MA PLC [apparently]
Sooo All Monty/Nokin Deps willbe Nokin1 whatever. AFAIK, the airspace has been "re-arranged", so slow climbers can be "accomodated"
wef 16/03/06
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Sooo All Monty/Nokin Deps willbe Nokin1 whatever. AFAIK, the airspace has been "re-arranged", so slow climbers can be "accomodated"
wef 16/03/06
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RVSM question on the new airspace....N864 becomes northbound only, correct? (Im guessing that since the EGGD standard arrivals are via N862 DOBEM from Thurs). Does this mean that N864 northbound will be odd levels rather than even since it has no southbound route? (Unless Im wrong in thinking its one way now).
Thanks.
Thanks.
