Flight Strips and Speed; LATCC
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I learned to fly in 1966. I'd just got the business of filing ATC flight plans sorted out - PLN or TRU/PLN if you wanted to be clever and file through an intermediate stop - when they went and changed it all to the one we know today! 
Wasn't there a fan-marker at Chertsey?
Wasn't there a fan-marker at Chertsey?
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Where I work as an ATC we have electronic strips. As soon as you hear anything non standard, the pen comes out stat. We have had electronic strips for 6 years or so. Still nothing like the tactile reinforcement of paper though.
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Originally Posted by Georgeablelovehowindia
Wasn't there a fan-marker at Chertsey?
TDM - that was the SID out of Luton for deps via A1/A34 :
'Beacon Hill, Burnham, Chertsey, Dunsfold at 4000ft, climb when instructed by London Radar to FLXXX' (when Heathrow was on westerlies). I remember writing that down many times in the old 'Mediator Stage 1/2' room as 'D.O.' read it out (ie before radar moved from Heathrow to WD).
With Heathrow on easterlies the clearance was 'Brookmans Park, Kilburn, Epsom, Dunsfold at 4000' etc
'Beacon Hill, Burnham, Chertsey, Dunsfold at 4000ft, climb when instructed by London Radar to FLXXX' (when Heathrow was on westerlies). I remember writing that down many times in the old 'Mediator Stage 1/2' room as 'D.O.' read it out (ie before radar moved from Heathrow to WD).
With Heathrow on easterlies the clearance was 'Brookmans Park, Kilburn, Epsom, Dunsfold at 4000' etc
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Chevvron We probably worked together back then. The worst was, I think, Southend departures to the South West, something like 12 strips.
Memories; taking the flight plan details from Luton on one line whilst at the same time they were requesting clearance from DO on another and him shouting over the board, "Give me the strips!" Very nearly decked him, John Reynolds, he used to come to work on an old moped. Was not the most popular guy in the Ops. Room
Memories; taking the flight plan details from Luton on one line whilst at the same time they were requesting clearance from DO on another and him shouting over the board, "Give me the strips!" Very nearly decked him, John Reynolds, he used to come to work on an old moped. Was not the most popular guy in the Ops. Room
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Originally Posted by Lon More
Chevvron We probably worked together back then.
Ah yes, John Reynolds. I was warned when I first joined the watch if I did anything even slightly wrong, he would go straight to the supervisor rather than have a quiet word with you. He always refused to talk to El Al flights; always let the radar man talk to them. Word was the other D controllers always tried to put him on DO so they didn't have to talk to him!
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Wiccan, I doubt it,this was back in 1968, he was not in the first flush of youth then.
Chevvron; I remember there was quite a competition amongst some of the team to see who could get him to fall off his NSU Quickly. Can't remember if anyone actually succeeded, but I did give him a good soaking one day
Chevvron; I remember there was quite a competition amongst some of the team to see who could get him to fall off his NSU Quickly. Can't remember if anyone actually succeeded, but I did give him a good soaking one day
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Who's she? Chevvy, email me at base ops ie. christian name dot surname at btinternet dot com and I'll send 'em to you. I think Happy Jack would've been thrown out of FPH by now for moaning to matron. ooooh matron.
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Hate to be pedantic but I think it was Brookman's Park at 3000', Kilburn Epsom and Dunsfold at 4000' on 08 departures.
Anyone remember the Easterlies which became "cross the Bovingdon 039 Radial not above 3000' etc?
And the nightly Autair Herald to Blackpool cleared via Woburn?
Hate to be pedantic but I think it was Brookman's Park at 3000', Kilburn Epsom and Dunsfold at 4000' on 08 departures.
Anyone remember the Easterlies which became "cross the Bovingdon 039 Radial not above 3000' etc?
And the nightly Autair Herald to Blackpool cleared via Woburn?
Probably like the Air France Deux Ponts and BEA Argosy's only northbound.(for the uniniated, the nightly AF and BE freight flights were cleared to Paris at FL60 to be level by the FIR boundary, and often they weren't!!)
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After a couple of visits to ATC I have been impressed by the (paper slip) system and understand fully the merits of a 'standard' system.
Then I visit a military ATC and find that they use 'their own' system that they prefer.
As a GA pilot I use Military ATC as much as civilian ATC.I was most surprised to fing that there was no harmonisation between the two.
Another example of military arrogance or is there a reasonable explanation?
Then I visit a military ATC and find that they use 'their own' system that they prefer.
As a GA pilot I use Military ATC as much as civilian ATC.I was most surprised to fing that there was no harmonisation between the two.
Another example of military arrogance or is there a reasonable explanation?