NINER or NINE over the UK?!
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NINER or NINE over the UK?!
Can any ATCO in the UK tell me why you most of you don't use the standard ICAO "NINER", but use "NINE"?
Is this a UK practice? If so, could you please explain the reasoning behind this? Should I also use "NINE" over UK aerospace?
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Is this a UK practice? If so, could you please explain the reasoning behind this? Should I also use "NINE" over UK aerospace?
Thnks in advance
Hi Takeoff,
You are perfectly correct in using the ICAO "NINER" as it is the standard phraseology in use in the UK. Don't know why people wouldn't use it really. I always do on the Radio and for any handovers, coordination, etc.
Cheers,
LXGB
You are perfectly correct in using the ICAO "NINER" as it is the standard phraseology in use in the UK. Don't know why people wouldn't use it really. I always do on the Radio and for any handovers, coordination, etc.
Cheers,
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to answwer the first question, the reason for this is the fact that the UK controllers are by far the worst as far as using standard phraseology is concerned. This can be explained by the fact that English is their native language and hence they have quite a bigger vocabulary and they do not always realise that this may cause difficulties for those who do not speak English as "well" as they do.
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"the fact that the UK controllers are by far the worst as far as using standard phraseology is concerned"
Don't you just love sweeping generalisations?!?
Maybe because it is our native tongue, we sometimes accidentally use the native "nine" as opposed to "niner", and just maybe its got nothing do with bad use of standard phraseology!!! Ever think of that?!?
FB
Don't you just love sweeping generalisations?!?
Maybe because it is our native tongue, we sometimes accidentally use the native "nine" as opposed to "niner", and just maybe its got nothing do with bad use of standard phraseology!!! Ever think of that?!?
FB
The whole point of the published phonetic pronunciation of numbers, letters etc seems to escape most people.
The pronunciation in the UK RTF Manual is copied directly from ICAO and surely the reason for its publication by that latter body is to indicate to non-native English speakers an approximation of the correct, normal pronunciation of the various English words but without resorting to phonetic symbols such as those that you will find in a dictionary.
For example, if the pronunciation of the figure 1 is not spelt out as WUN, a reader of Spanish or Italian origin would pronounce it as "oh-nay". Similarly, how would a non-native English speaker pronounce "two" if it were not spelt out phonetically? Yes, there are potential misunderstandings of 2 and 3 and of 5 and 9, but it is fatuous to pronounce "nine" as two completely separate syllables - far more to the point to speak clearly at a measured rate, giving emphasis to the hard ending to differentiate from a "five" - and the nearest way of representing this phonetically is "NINE-ER".
As for "finals", this is merely sloppy, military illiteracy - q.v. Deans Cross, Cliff Richards etc.
The pronunciation in the UK RTF Manual is copied directly from ICAO and surely the reason for its publication by that latter body is to indicate to non-native English speakers an approximation of the correct, normal pronunciation of the various English words but without resorting to phonetic symbols such as those that you will find in a dictionary.
For example, if the pronunciation of the figure 1 is not spelt out as WUN, a reader of Spanish or Italian origin would pronounce it as "oh-nay". Similarly, how would a non-native English speaker pronounce "two" if it were not spelt out phonetically? Yes, there are potential misunderstandings of 2 and 3 and of 5 and 9, but it is fatuous to pronounce "nine" as two completely separate syllables - far more to the point to speak clearly at a measured rate, giving emphasis to the hard ending to differentiate from a "five" - and the nearest way of representing this phonetically is "NINE-ER".
As for "finals", this is merely sloppy, military illiteracy - q.v. Deans Cross, Cliff Richards etc.
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If the military were sloppy and illiterate wouldn't it be, upwinds, downwinds, base legs, finals, landings, rollings, take-offs.
I think you'll find its just a difference in phraseology!!!
I think you'll find its just a difference in phraseology!!!
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q.v. Deans Cross, Cliff Richards etc.
