VFR at night in controlled airspace
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VFR at night in controlled airspace
As far as I know, there are no VFR flights in UK in any airspace.
Quick poll: where is VFR at night in the controlled airspace accepted then, and where is not?
Poland: VFR permitted everywhere 24h a day.
AFAIK Germany too.
Portugal: prohibited entirely at night.
Anyone else?
Quick poll: where is VFR at night in the controlled airspace accepted then, and where is not?
Poland: VFR permitted everywhere 24h a day.
AFAIK Germany too.
Portugal: prohibited entirely at night.
Anyone else?
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As for Poland: 2 years ago VFR at night was not permitted in controlled airspace (except SAR flights and alike), while it was permitted in uncontrolled airspace; which I've always found quite absurd.
Right now VFR flights are permitted into controlled airspace (vis: 5km, clouds 500m) at night; we had a discussion at my unit and eventually agreed that they are SVFR at night.
Right now VFR flights are permitted into controlled airspace (vis: 5km, clouds 500m) at night; we had a discussion at my unit and eventually agreed that they are SVFR at night.
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Spot-on. I think a lot of people are confused about the meaning of IFR flight outside controlled airspace.
1. Above MSA
2. If above 3,000' fly quadrantal rule.
Rules of the Air Regs 1996, 29 & 30 for the details
My understanding is you don't need a flight plan, you don't need an ATC service.
Seems quite straightforward to me. Keep high enough to avoid bumping into fixed objects you can't see. Keep below 3,000' if you want to bimble about looking at all the pretty lights (my favourites are the trains...)
Anything I've missed?
Next week, 'VMC on Top', another UK no-no.
Cheers,
The Odd One
Spot-on. I think a lot of people are confused about the meaning of IFR flight outside controlled airspace.
1. Above MSA
2. If above 3,000' fly quadrantal rule.
Rules of the Air Regs 1996, 29 & 30 for the details
My understanding is you don't need a flight plan, you don't need an ATC service.
Seems quite straightforward to me. Keep high enough to avoid bumping into fixed objects you can't see. Keep below 3,000' if you want to bimble about looking at all the pretty lights (my favourites are the trains...)
Anything I've missed?
Next week, 'VMC on Top', another UK no-no.
Cheers,
The Odd One
Night-VFR is permitted in Denmark in all airspaces.
Conditions:
PIC must have NightVFR rating
AC must be Night-VFR approved
Visibility above 8km
No clouds below 1500'
If not local flight and above 3000' in any airspace, must have radio contact with appropriate service, XPonder mode C, send ICAO flightplan, 45mins fuel reserve and alternates planned.
Actually going flying tonight, it'll be a starry, starry night with a full moon ! Howl, where did all this hair come from ? :-)
Conditions:
PIC must have NightVFR rating
AC must be Night-VFR approved
Visibility above 8km
No clouds below 1500'
If not local flight and above 3000' in any airspace, must have radio contact with appropriate service, XPonder mode C, send ICAO flightplan, 45mins fuel reserve and alternates planned.
Actually going flying tonight, it'll be a starry, starry night with a full moon ! Howl, where did all this hair come from ? :-)
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Allowance of NVFR in Poland is actually fun.
Since last year they have been allowed, within controlled airspace, with the minima 5km/450m, while... SVFR night minima are 5km/500m with exception for helicopters: 3km/300m
This actually shows difference between Polish CAA [responsible for 5/450 minima] and the transportation ministry [other minima]. Anyway: it is allowed.
There're no problems in G airspace, as we have only class C ang G in Poland.
Since last year they have been allowed, within controlled airspace, with the minima 5km/450m, while... SVFR night minima are 5km/500m with exception for helicopters: 3km/300m
This actually shows difference between Polish CAA [responsible for 5/450 minima] and the transportation ministry [other minima]. Anyway: it is allowed.
There're no problems in G airspace, as we have only class C ang G in Poland.
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My understanding as others have siad in the UK
Inside a CTR a/c must be SVFR. Aircraft OCAS can only fly IFR although they will be in VMC (the uk night rating)
aircraft must also remain clear of cloud and in sight of the surface...
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Inside a CTR a/c must be SVFR. Aircraft OCAS can only fly IFR although they will be in VMC (the uk night rating)
aircraft must also remain clear of cloud and in sight of the surface...
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To clarify the UK position, valid until the revised airspace classifications (ICAO) come on stream.
In Class G airspace: daytime, VFR or IFR; night-time IFR (as has been said, VMC at night is tolerated but there's no allowance for VFR)
In Class D airspace: daytime, VFR, SVFR or IFR; night-time SVFR or IFR
In Class A airspace: daytime and night-time, SVFR or IFR
In Class G airspace: daytime, VFR or IFR; night-time IFR (as has been said, VMC at night is tolerated but there's no allowance for VFR)
In Class D airspace: daytime, VFR, SVFR or IFR; night-time SVFR or IFR
In Class A airspace: daytime and night-time, SVFR or IFR
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I know of somewhere in the UK where they can't be SVFR at night (cos unit rules don't permit it) so what does that make them if they aren't IFR?
Where is Tower Ranger to explain these things when he's needed!?
Where is Tower Ranger to explain these things when he's needed!?
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My understanding (from the pilot side) of the rules for night flight in the UK are
It is IFR, except it can be SVRF in a Control Zone.
However, my understanding of IFR also is that in Class G airspace (and logically in an ATZ in class G)
IFR is -
quadrantals above 3000 ft
1000 ft above highest obstacle within 5 miles (or on a notified route/procedure/etc.)
The 1000 ft restriction is removed when at less than 3000 ft MSL and clear of clouds in sight of the surface.
Therefore, doing circuits (day or night) could be in compliance with IFR and there would be no observable difference to VFR circuits.
It is IFR, except it can be SVRF in a Control Zone.
However, my understanding of IFR also is that in Class G airspace (and logically in an ATZ in class G)
IFR is -
quadrantals above 3000 ft
1000 ft above highest obstacle within 5 miles (or on a notified route/procedure/etc.)
The 1000 ft restriction is removed when at less than 3000 ft MSL and clear of clouds in sight of the surface.
Therefore, doing circuits (day or night) could be in compliance with IFR and there would be no observable difference to VFR circuits.
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It's allowed in Norway.
BSL F, kap II, § 2-2 (in Norwegian.)
The basic rule: All flights during night shall be IFR.
Norwegian CAA may give permissions for a series of VFR night flights, and local ATC may give permissions for single VFR night flights.
It is the pilot's responsibility to grant permissions from all involved ATC units before taking off. (But they rarely do...
)IFR is seperated from VFR night in D/E, VFR night is not seperated from VFR night in D/E.
Only reasons for rejecting VFR night request are high traffic load and weather situation.
In other words, VFR night is permitted in Norway.