OJTI Endorsement

[VCR]

How much is an OJTI endorsement worth? How much more should an OJTI get paid than a standard ATCO? Does anybody pay any more, and if so how much? A pay point, a percentage or a fixed amount? We are currently in 'negotiations' with management at the moment and need some info!

[almost professional]

extra money for training?-what a novel concept!

[JustaFew]

Liverpool used to pay £50 pcm for any OJTI duties undertaken; however, that allowance was subsumed into a payrise in January this year. Therefore, new OJTIs now receives nowt extra financially.

[Gonzo]

NATS give an extra spine point (however, you're also entitled to a spine point when becoming a supervisor, but you only get the rise once, and all the sups at my unit are OJTIs anyway!).

Also we get a quarterly training payment. I can't remember how the value is calculated, I'm afraid, but it's around 350-400 before tax per quarter.

[cossack]

Nav Canada pays CAN$8.50/hour for training. Basic pay ranges from $40-$55/hour at my unit, so in percentage terms that's about 15-20% on top of base pay. At lower grade, quieter units the percentage is higher because of the lower base.

[jovica]

In Serbia, OJTI is getting some 5% more then the ATCO.

[missy]

Aussie ATCs get 8% (since 1989). Union is pushing for more, suggesting 15% or a set figure per hour.

[Northerner]

I believe it's 3% in NATS paid quarterly, subject to certain targets being met (training hours)
Cheers,
N

"Keep smiling, it makes poeple wonder what you're up to...."

[loubylou]

3% basic pay , divided and paid quarterly
louby

[Frunobulax]

Slightly OT:

If you already have an OJTI endorsment working as, let's say, TWR/APP Proc and later on you start to work as a radar APP: is this OJTI endorsment valid also for your radar rating? If no,do you have to take any examinations? Or maybe you even have to work for few years as an "ordinary" radar APP ATCO before being allowed to do OJTI on radar?

[AirNoServicesAustralia]

Nothing extra in the Middle East. Also hours training don't count to your recency hours so you need to find your time controlling in excess of sitting with your trainee. Than again we don't pay any tax

[360BakTrak]

The endorsement is valid, you just need 1 years valid experience before training (I think)

[Arkady]

360

Correct

(for UK)

[Turn It Off]

How much experiance is required to gain your intial OJTI endorsement. Is it still 2 yrs or has it changed?

TIO

[Arkady]

"How much experiance is required to gain your intial OJTI endorsement. Is it still 2 yrs or has it changed?"


We seem to have done this one before, recently.

In the UK, SRG only require 12 months valid on any given skill, whether it is first validation or subsequent.

At (some) NATS units, a local agreement exists to extend that by another 12 months.

[ebenezer]

In the UK, SRG only require 12 months valid on any given skill, whether it is first validation or subsequent.

Not anymore - CAP744 (which subsumes ESARR 5) says 2 years post first unit licence endorsement (= 'validation') or 6 months post a subsequent unit licence endorsement.

Blame Europe - not the UK CAA...

[055166k]

Bravo Europe

Common sense breakthrough with the two-year rule. I am sure that future trainees will reap the rewards rather than suffer the result of an OJTI with a whole 12 months valid experience.
It was a sad day when money entered the equation.
Down at Swanwick we keep a pool of permanent long-term trainees...some have been training for well over a year, or is it two?....can't remember; still, they get paid and we get paid...no problem!
Hang on...there may be a problem....we are approaching the only two-week quiet period in the whole year and traditionally all the trainees are put up for validation....anything could happen!!!