Irritable ATC
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in regards to Irritable ATC has anyone ever flown out of Long Beach there is one Guy goes by the name Todd he really does piss everyone of. incorrect readbacks and your gonna get an earful from him nobody likes him i wonder if he knows what its like being a pilot
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From: Derbyshire
Like i've said before now, were pilots, who cares about spelling! lol.
You could just see it if we did. Example:
1st officer is writing down clearence amendments after a change in clearence.
Captain: "Could you just read back to me the Assigned alt at Tango 5?"
1st officer: " We r cleaned too....ah F$*K thats not how you spell that, just a second..."
I appreciate its a little different when your at home typing on your computer though lol, you get the point.
There is some female pilot who i've heard in EGGP zone a few times now, she sounds like a right piece...ahem....I mean she sounds very tasty....ahem.....very nice person.
Antony
You could just see it if we did. Example:
1st officer is writing down clearence amendments after a change in clearence.
Captain: "Could you just read back to me the Assigned alt at Tango 5?"
1st officer: " We r cleaned too....ah F$*K thats not how you spell that, just a second..."
I appreciate its a little different when your at home typing on your computer though lol, you get the point.
There is some female pilot who i've heard in EGGP zone a few times now, she sounds like a right piece...ahem....I mean she sounds very tasty....ahem.....very nice person.
Antony
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It does matter Antony.
And all clearance are written in short hand so not much room there.
A typical written clearance from MAN would P1Y 4563.
Spelling does matter. Most information is passed on by written form so its documented. If you write it down like a chump. Everyone presumes your a chump.
Bloody hell one of the worst offenders for crap spelling and grammar is lecturing someone why you should make the effort.
MJ
And all clearance are written in short hand so not much room there.
A typical written clearance from MAN would P1Y 4563.
Spelling does matter. Most information is passed on by written form so its documented. If you write it down like a chump. Everyone presumes your a chump.
Bloody hell one of the worst offenders for crap spelling and grammar is lecturing someone why you should make the effort.
MJ
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From: Hants, UK
mad jock:
One of the risks of setting yourself up in judgement over others is you risk making yourself look an idiot (as I know to my cost!).
Therefore, I have copied your latest post below and punctuated and spelt it correctly, just so we are all agreed on the standard about which we are arguing.
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It does matter, Antony.
All clearances are written in short hand so not much room there.
A typical written clearance from MAN would P1Y 4563.
Spelling does matter. Most information is passed on by written form so it's documented. If you write it down like a chump, everyone presumes you're a chump.
Bloody hell! One of the worst offenders for crap spelling and grammar is lecturing someone why you should make the effort!
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Now standing by for the brickbats about my own errors!
By the way, generally speaking from my own experience in NATS ATC, the inverse ratio of voice beauty to physical beauty seems to be the norm.
One of the risks of setting yourself up in judgement over others is you risk making yourself look an idiot (as I know to my cost!).
Therefore, I have copied your latest post below and punctuated and spelt it correctly, just so we are all agreed on the standard about which we are arguing.
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It does matter, Antony.
All clearances are written in short hand so not much room there.
A typical written clearance from MAN would P1Y 4563.
Spelling does matter. Most information is passed on by written form so it's documented. If you write it down like a chump, everyone presumes you're a chump.
Bloody hell! One of the worst offenders for crap spelling and grammar is lecturing someone why you should make the effort!
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Now standing by for the brickbats about my own errors!
By the way, generally speaking from my own experience in NATS ATC, the inverse ratio of voice beauty to physical beauty seems to be the norm.
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From: Hampshire UK
"Spelling does matter. Most information is passed on by written form so its documented. If you write it down like a chump. Everyone presumes your a chump".
Mad_jock - IT'S documented! YOU'RE a chump!
Oh, and punctuation is important too!
Sorry, could not resist.
Mad_jock - IT'S documented! YOU'RE a chump!
Oh, and punctuation is important too!
Sorry, could not resist.
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Wouldn't be slightly ruff scottish would it?
I never could work it out!
Remember sexy voice equals huge arse.
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See what I mean.
I knew I would get grief.
Rascal your on your own mate. They teach the kids how to fight with weapons in primary school where she comes from.
Anyway I wasn't on about her arse.
MJ
Waiting for someone to correct this one as well
I knew I would get grief.
Rascal your on your own mate. They teach the kids how to fight with weapons in primary school where she comes from.
Anyway I wasn't on about her arse.
MJ
Waiting for someone to correct this one as well
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From: frozen norff
Can only be a journo, starting a thread, 'Irritable ATC', when your whinge is about fellow pilots!!!
Having worked at Heathrow, and with you, Bren, I am surprise to hear your 'I doubt Liverpool is busy etc.', I am enjoying my ATCO career just as you did yours albeit in different circumstances, presumptions are unnecessary.
Clean rest rooms? There'll be lockers in the tower next, Atcham Towers!! The beginnings of a crab empire, me thinks
Having worked at Heathrow, and with you, Bren, I am surprise to hear your 'I doubt Liverpool is busy etc.', I am enjoying my ATCO career just as you did yours albeit in different circumstances, presumptions are unnecessary.
Clean rest rooms? There'll be lockers in the tower next, Atcham Towers!! The beginnings of a crab empire, me thinks
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From: Derbyshire
Ha ha, I knew this would happen. You try an set up a conversation about aviation and it ends up becoming some what off track (that’s allowed as it is an aviation term!).
And just for the call I can spell without too much of an effort, though plucking up the enthusiasm to use a spell checker is some what difficult being a student lol.
Well now that’s out of my system, hopefully I’m off to do my first solo Nav to Welshpool tomorrow all being well, so wish me luck!
Happy flying, and may all your total takeoffs be followed by the same amount of landings! lol Seriously though, be safe!
Antony
And just for the call I can spell without too much of an effort, though plucking up the enthusiasm to use a spell checker is some what difficult being a student lol.
Well now that’s out of my system, hopefully I’m off to do my first solo Nav to Welshpool tomorrow all being well, so wish me luck!
Happy flying, and may all your total takeoffs be followed by the same amount of landings! lol Seriously though, be safe!
Antony
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Spelling tension on the flight deck
The Captain, smirking in his left hand seat,observed to the FO that the spell checker on his PC corrects co-pilot to copulate.
FO, keeping an absolutely straight face, observed only a Captain would need a spell checker to spell co-pilot.
FO, keeping an absolutely straight face, observed only a Captain would need a spell checker to spell co-pilot.
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Any ATC guys or gals want an experience flight in a SEP i am more than happy to oblige. My base is mid Lincolnshire but anywhere within reason. i may not always like what you tell me over the R/T but by golly i ALWAYS pleased your there so if i can oblige I shall.
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Irritable ATC
As a rule, the niceties aren't supposed to be used, but most GA pilots like the politeness that some ATS providers give their customers.
I know of one chap who constantly greets his pilots with 'Sir' and 'Ma'am' despite being a civillian. Now personally I think that's going over the top, but he just thinks he's being polite and giving 'good customer service' - I suppose you could argue it both ways, but I'm not a fan.
The odd nicety can ease things, such as ATC saying thank you to a pilot who's 'helped' them out, such as doing an airborne relay or making a smart decision before the ATCO has too.
It's up to you, the RTF manual says the use of courtesies should be avoided, which they certainly are in busier airspace, but those of us with the luxury of a little spare space on the frequency may indulge every now and again.
Britkit
I know of one chap who constantly greets his pilots with 'Sir' and 'Ma'am' despite being a civillian. Now personally I think that's going over the top, but he just thinks he's being polite and giving 'good customer service' - I suppose you could argue it both ways, but I'm not a fan.
The odd nicety can ease things, such as ATC saying thank you to a pilot who's 'helped' them out, such as doing an airborne relay or making a smart decision before the ATCO has too.
It's up to you, the RTF manual says the use of courtesies should be avoided, which they certainly are in busier airspace, but those of us with the luxury of a little spare space on the frequency may indulge every now and again.
Britkit
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From: the Milky Way
the niceties aren't supposed to be used
And it's quite definitely the way it should be. I don't ever recall a bit of politeness stopping me getting a call in.
antonybradford, I suspect with it a bit more experience you will be a lot more relaxed about ATC and will be less bothered by others niceties. You might even use them yourself!
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Its strange as well if you work the same units the mental image you have of some controllers. And i am sure they do the same with pilots.
There is a Bloke at MAN on radar and tower who has what I think is a great manner. Nothing ever seems to phase him. Very pleasant doesn't have the most correct RT but gets the job done being pleasant, with a dry sense of humour which he has no problems using on the RT. The end result that the flight crew want to help him. I imagine him as a grandad who likes nothing better than a glass of wine while the kids are opening xmas presents shrugging off bollockings from granny and daughters with "yes dear" and continuing as before spoiling the kids.
Now a female controller at BHX I imagine as a twisted old crone with fag teeth and a deep hatred of men. Who I take great pleasure being nice to because it completly knocks her off her stride being crabbie on the RT.
MJ
There is a Bloke at MAN on radar and tower who has what I think is a great manner. Nothing ever seems to phase him. Very pleasant doesn't have the most correct RT but gets the job done being pleasant, with a dry sense of humour which he has no problems using on the RT. The end result that the flight crew want to help him. I imagine him as a grandad who likes nothing better than a glass of wine while the kids are opening xmas presents shrugging off bollockings from granny and daughters with "yes dear" and continuing as before spoiling the kids.
Now a female controller at BHX I imagine as a twisted old crone with fag teeth and a deep hatred of men. Who I take great pleasure being nice to because it completly knocks her off her stride being crabbie on the RT.
MJ
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From: Berkshire, UK
<<Sorry to say this but I hate anyone calling anyone else "Sir">>
Then you have some sort of complex because I eas brought up to underatand that it is a normal greeting to a gent whose name you do not know. I have used and received it all my life - what's the problem?
Then you have some sort of complex because I eas brought up to underatand that it is a normal greeting to a gent whose name you do not know. I have used and received it all my life - what's the problem?