Channel/frequency

[Winston]

What is the present JAR/European rules about phraseology (spellcheck) about saying the word channel or frequency before a channel (or frequency) on RT. Exzmple contact london CHANNEL 135 decimal 350 or contact brest FREQUENCY 118 decimal 95

[BEXIL160]

Currently:

Frequencies: 25khz spaced, such as 118.1, 124.75 etc etc

Channels 8.33khz spacings e.g. 132.205, 132.510, 118.885

So "contact London on frequency135.05" (wun tree fife day- see -mall zero fife)

and "contact Brest on channel118.885" (wun wun ait day- see -mal ait ait fife)

However, oh dear... it's all about to change see:http://www.eurocontrol.int/vhf833/pu...raseology.html

Lots of good stuff on that site

Rgds BEX

[Chilli Monster]

My understanding is that "Frequency" doesn't need to be said but "Channel" does.

So:

Any 25KHz spaced frequency e.g 127.975 would be "127 decimal 97"

Any 8.33 KHz spaced frequency e.g. 127.980 would be spoken as "Channel 127 decimal 980".

[BEXIL160]

Chilli is quite right, you don't need to say "frequency" at the moment (some people do, but there's no need), but you do need to say Channel.

rgds BEX

[Right Way Up]

Nice to see that sense prevails with the withdrawal of the term "channel". Maybe soon they will look at providing a more user friendly demarcation of frequencies.

[Winston]

Fantastic! That answers my question perfectly, Thank-you very much.
Whilst I've got you, in the UK (or europe in fact) should I say the word "degrees" after a heading eg "radar heading 320" or "radar heading 320 DEGREES"

[incubus]

Doesn't that argument normally end up saying that you should say "degrees" but you should not say "radar"?

[spekesoftly]

CAP 493 (The UK Manual of Air Traffic Services Part 1) states that the word 'degrees' should be appended to heading figures where the heading ends in zero, or in cases where confusion or ambiguity may result.

So, "Heading 320 degrees" is correct for an ATC instruction, but I'm not aware of any specific requirement that mandates the word 'degrees' in the read-back, but I guess the same principle applies.

[Spuds McKenzie]

"Heading 320 degrees" is UK stuff.
Anywhere else in Europe (to my knowledge) it's "Heading 320".

[Widger]

I understand in France that if it is 8.33 you must say "La Manche"!

[Flobadob]

"Heading 320 degrees" is UK stuff.

Not by UK Mil controllers it's not.

We don't have time to fanny around with flowery phraseology!

Standby......................incoming!

[Spuds McKenzie]

We don't have time to fanny around with flowery phraseology!

Fair enough, same here.