Recleared?
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Recleared?
Howdy!
Question for ATCO's:
When I'm climbing to a certain FL and during this climb the controller clears me to climb to another level, what is my response supposed to be?
I have been told by an instructor that answering with "123, re cleared FL something" is not correct as it is a phrase only to be used by ATCO's in a particular sitation (can't remember exactly which one) while others say you can answer like that.
Who knows what to say (or not)?
Tnx,
K.
Question for ATCO's:
When I'm climbing to a certain FL and during this climb the controller clears me to climb to another level, what is my response supposed to be?
I have been told by an instructor that answering with "123, re cleared FL something" is not correct as it is a phrase only to be used by ATCO's in a particular sitation (can't remember exactly which one) while others say you can answer like that.
Who knows what to say (or not)?
Tnx,
K.
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Its a crap piece of phraseology which in my opinion, shouldn't be used at all, but often is when ATCO's tell a/c to climb or descend.
You are either cleared to climb or your are not, to use any other phraseology can lead to confusion, which at the very least wastes everyone's time, and at the worst can be downright dangerous.
You are either cleared to climb or your are not, to use any other phraseology can lead to confusion, which at the very least wastes everyone's time, and at the worst can be downright dangerous.
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Personally, if I re-clear an aircraft to climb/descend, I just say "Climb/Descend FL***" I've noticed some of the older/bolder 
controllers say "recleared FL***" and this is still in JSP552 (Mil regs) as recognised phraseology
controllers say "recleared FL***" and this is still in JSP552 (Mil regs) as recognised phraseology
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Your instructor is right - from both sides of the fence:
1) as a controller I don't use re-cleared. It doesn't appear in the books so a simple "Climb FL***" suffices
2) as a pilot if I ever get "recleared FL***" (VERY rare) then I just respond with "Climb FL***, (callsign)".
1) as a controller I don't use re-cleared. It doesn't appear in the books so a simple "Climb FL***" suffices
2) as a pilot if I ever get "recleared FL***" (VERY rare) then I just respond with "Climb FL***, (callsign)".
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abc123, amendment to your routing (if I think the pilot needs a heads up that I'm about to splurge some extra crap from what I normally pump out) , route......
abc 123 STOP climb/descent FL*** (If lower/higher than previous clearance)
otherwise use normal RTF.
I admit that once or twice I have used 're-cleared' to correct myself immediately after a transmission by saying, 'correction, recleared....' but I then had to run away in embarrasement!
abc 123 STOP climb/descent FL*** (If lower/higher than previous clearance)
otherwise use normal RTF.
I admit that once or twice I have used 're-cleared' to correct myself immediately after a transmission by saying, 'correction, recleared....' but I then had to run away in embarrasement!
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Don't forget the "to"
Why does everybody in here forget the small and simple word to
e.g Climb TO 2000 feet. Climb TO FL130. The right way to do it!
Recleared can be used to change details in a clearance:
"SAS1234 recleared direct PIKOX"
It doesn't say anything about not using it with altitudes.
e.g Climb TO 2000 feet. Climb TO FL130. The right way to do it!
Recleared can be used to change details in a clearance:
"SAS1234 recleared direct PIKOX"
It doesn't say anything about not using it with altitudes.
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The problem with climb/descend TO altitudes has to do with the confusion between "to"and "two". Remember that 747 freighter a few years back that slammed into Mt. Kinabalu in Asia because there was confusion with the descent clearance - controller said "descend TWO TWO HUNDRED (2200) feet", the pilots heard "descend TO two hundred feet", or something like that. Don't remember the details too much, but the possibility for mis-hearing an instruction does exist. Best not to use "to" at all, I think.
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decend by 1000 feet/decend 1000 feet
I cannot say that I agree with you on that one! Decend 1000ft, could also mean decend by one thousand feet!
Pilots, aswell as ATC should know their phraseology. 2200 feet shall be pronounced "twothousandtwohundred feet." Not "two-twohundred feet"
Pilots, aswell as ATC should know their phraseology. 2200 feet shall be pronounced "twothousandtwohundred feet." Not "two-twohundred feet"
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My instructor always told me to NEVER say "to" as in "Climbing to two thousand five hundred" as it can easily be mistaken as "climbing 22500" although why a PA28 would climb to FL225 is out of my knowledge lol!
But best be on the safe side, if you don't use / forgot the correct R/T, just spend 30mins or so re-freshing your memory on CAP413!! Surely thats not too difficult for you? Not to be mistaken for, surely thats not 2 difficult for you
Regards as always.
Martyn
lol!But best be on the safe side, if you don't use / forgot the correct R/T, just spend 30mins or so re-freshing your memory on CAP413!! Surely thats not too difficult for you? Not to be mistaken for, surely thats not 2 difficult for you
Regards as always.
Martyn
