The Happiest ATC unit.............
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Blimey, you missed the mark again! Just cos yer buddy "tiddles" jumped before he was pushed and you failed to find him a job you really do have a downer on the place don't you?
Quote: "Only what I have heard". "Sorry, just trying to define the lower limit"
Regards
Blimey, you missed the mark again! Just cos yer buddy "tiddles" jumped before he was pushed and you failed to find him a job you really do have a downer on the place don't you?
Quote: "Only what I have heard". "Sorry, just trying to define the lower limit"
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From: Berkshire, UK
<<The ATC management was superb - the SATCO, Jim Sawyer (who looked and sounded more like an East End boxer) interfered as little as possible with the operation and was regarded almost as a father figure; his deputy, Larry Matthews was a real one of the lads. Both of them chipped in at the coal face when necessary and were excellent members of the team. >>
Wow - brings back memories. Larry was on the same ATC primary course with me in 1966 and I met him in Cape Town a couple of years ago. Jim is well, living with Jean on the south coast of the UK in retirement. He was my Watch Sup at HLLT back in 1970 and when we saw him not long ago he was just the same as we remembered him. Great people....
Wow - brings back memories. Larry was on the same ATC primary course with me in 1966 and I met him in Cape Town a couple of years ago. Jim is well, living with Jean on the south coast of the UK in retirement. He was my Watch Sup at HLLT back in 1970 and when we saw him not long ago he was just the same as we remembered him. Great people....
More than just an ATCO
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From: Up someone's nose
LetMFly Back in the 80s it was a different world and most of the units i visited then were good places to work in - at the risk of incurring flak - back in the 1960s even LATCC at Drayton wasn't too bad, if you didn't mind the views.
Too many "managers" these days, glad I'm out of it
Lon More, Here before Pontius was a Pilot or Mortus a Rigger
Too many "managers" these days, glad I'm out of it
Lon More, Here before Pontius was a Pilot or Mortus a Rigger
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From: Scotland
<<Wow - brings back memories. Larry was on the same ATC primary course with me in 1966 and I met him in Cape Town a couple of years ago. Jim is well, living with Jean on the south coast of the UK in retirement. He was my Watch Sup at HLLT back in 1970 and when we saw him not long ago he was just the same as we remembered him. Great people....>>
Glad to have stirred some good memories HD.
Lon More Totally agree with you. In the 70s and 80s there was a lot of fun in ATC, consistent with safety of course. Nowadays the "dog eat dog" environment has removed the fun element and the net result - staff go long-term sick on a regular basis due to stress related illness. Never used to happen in the good old days!
Glad to have stirred some good memories HD.
Lon More Totally agree with you. In the 70s and 80s there was a lot of fun in ATC, consistent with safety of course. Nowadays the "dog eat dog" environment has removed the fun element and the net result - staff go long-term sick on a regular basis due to stress related illness. Never used to happen in the good old days!
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From: Brisbane, Australia
Jerricho,
Your question should be....
Coldest Civilian ATC Unit?
I'm sure there are some military units above the Arctic Circle or in Antartica that are run by military ATC units, but the low pay and cool working conditions must make up for it.
Coldest civilian ATC unit?....Winterpeg would have to come close. We've got nothing in Oz to match that.
Your question should be....
Coldest Civilian ATC Unit?
I'm sure there are some military units above the Arctic Circle or in Antartica that are run by military ATC units, but the low pay and cool working conditions must make up for it.
Coldest civilian ATC unit?....Winterpeg would have to come close. We've got nothing in Oz to match that.
Pegase Driver
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From: Europe
If you speak civilain unit I would say it it Longyearbyen (ENSB) in Swalbard ( Spitsbergen ) at 76 N . Been there, pretty cold in winter.
If you talk military I would vote for Thule AFB in Greenland.
Alert ( Elesmere Island ) is a bit further North than Thule, but I do not think they have an ATC unit as such there ( any Canadian friend can correct me of course)
If you talk military I would vote for Thule AFB in Greenland.
Alert ( Elesmere Island ) is a bit further North than Thule, but I do not think they have an ATC unit as such there ( any Canadian friend can correct me of course)
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From: LHR/EGLL
How about some of the Antarctic research stations?
McMurdo? Although it's a bit warm at the moment being 3 degrees C.
Amundsen-Scott is minus 23 with a 70mph wind. Forecast to be minus 36 on Saturday. And it's summer!
McMurdo? Although it's a bit warm at the moment being 3 degrees C.
Amundsen-Scott is minus 23 with a 70mph wind. Forecast to be minus 36 on Saturday. And it's summer!
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From: Fort Worth ARTCC ZFW
McMurdo actually does have an ICE runway and had a tower of sorts and GCA unit. In the past the Navy ran it with a sub unit from VXE-6. The Air Force took over last decade and I don't know who does it now. Used to work and fly with those folks. Talk about a bunch of nuts <G>...
regards
Scott
regards
Scott
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From: VFR Land
JERRICHO, very interesting. Reading these comments, I have realized that working with units that hate their job conditions, makes them the coldest "people" to work with. It my not be the temperature, but their attitudes would freeze the nuts off Dorothy's Tin Man. I won't specify, for risk of political reasons, but they know who they are.
Juniors are on top again, way to go boys!
And Jerricho, how is that -50 wind-chill treating you?
Juniors are on top again, way to go boys!
And Jerricho, how is that -50 wind-chill treating you?