NATS Destinations - YOU DECIDE
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From: LTCC
Not Long Now
You ask <<It seems, as I read it now, a TCAS RA is a SSE2. Now they occur every now and again usually due to high rate climb/descent. No error on anyone's behalf, no loss of seperation, just life. How are they going to be stopped?>>
For an event to be graded an SSE 2 in a prescribed separation environment (radar control, radar advisory, procedural control) it has to involve, among other things, a loss of separation where the separation provided was 66% or less of the required separation. If a pilot receives a TCAS RA and responds to it but there is no loss of separation it won't be included in the SSE scheme and therefore won't be an SSE 2.
You ask <<It seems, as I read it now, a TCAS RA is a SSE2. Now they occur every now and again usually due to high rate climb/descent. No error on anyone's behalf, no loss of seperation, just life. How are they going to be stopped?>>
For an event to be graded an SSE 2 in a prescribed separation environment (radar control, radar advisory, procedural control) it has to involve, among other things, a loss of separation where the separation provided was 66% or less of the required separation. If a pilot receives a TCAS RA and responds to it but there is no loss of separation it won't be included in the SSE scheme and therefore won't be an SSE 2.
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From: Southern England
It's not only the crass statement made about incidents that galls me, it's the 
glibly stating that we'll have enough staff by 2007, and that there will be no NATS attributable delays ??
Where the does that come from ?
Can anyone enlighten me as to exactly where they got their crystal ball ?
glibly stating that we'll have enough staff by 2007, and that there will be no NATS attributable delays ??Where the
does that come from ?Can anyone enlighten me as to exactly where they got their crystal ball ?
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From: solent-on-sea
Slaphead, fair enough but...
Not wishing to get distracted but if one a/c is at say FL102, technically maintaining FL100, and another at FL108, technically maintaining FL110, with 600' between them, what does that count as ?
Not wishing to get distracted but if one a/c is at say FL102, technically maintaining FL100, and another at FL108, technically maintaining FL110, with 600' between them, what does that count as ?
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From: LTCC
Not Long Now,
You're testing my knowledge of the finer points of the SSE scheme. If no one filed a CA1261/4114 (because the controller concerned had confirmed that each aircraft was maintaining the correct level and was assured that there had been no loss of separation) then there would be no need for a SSE grade.
If the incident was filed as a loss of separation but the subsequent investigation revealed that the Mode C was at fault, albeit within tolerance, then I am guessing that it would probably be an SSE P (potential).
You're testing my knowledge of the finer points of the SSE scheme. If no one filed a CA1261/4114 (because the controller concerned had confirmed that each aircraft was maintaining the correct level and was assured that there had been no loss of separation) then there would be no need for a SSE grade.
If the incident was filed as a loss of separation but the subsequent investigation revealed that the Mode C was at fault, albeit within tolerance, then I am guessing that it would probably be an SSE P (potential).
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From: London
Nogbad
I admit it, I am the purveyor of finest crystal fortune telling devices to the board. Above my emporium is the "by appointment" sign. It reads.....
"Balls to NATS Management"
Can anyone enlighten me as to exactly where they got their crystal ball ?
"Balls to NATS Management"
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From: London
Encouraged by Nogbad (in person!!!) I went to vote on the Just imagine site... but there was no vote to find! They have changed the poll....
How do you see yourself getting involved with the ’21 Destinations’?
Shaping and delivering them by being part of a ‘Destination team’
9%
Getting actively involved in brainstorming, discussion and assessment sessions but not part of a team.
0%
Being supportive and contributing ideas if I can
6%
Staying aware of what’s going on
6%
I don’t want to get involved
77%
Interesting figures already on this one! (although strangely the page claims to have been last updated in November....)
If you want to enter "Room 21" you will just have to imagine it, as that part of the site is still under construction!!!!!
Chips.. imagining being anywhere but here....
How do you see yourself getting involved with the ’21 Destinations’?
Shaping and delivering them by being part of a ‘Destination team’
9%
Getting actively involved in brainstorming, discussion and assessment sessions but not part of a team.
0%
Being supportive and contributing ideas if I can
6%
Staying aware of what’s going on
6%
I don’t want to get involved
77%
Interesting figures already on this one! (although strangely the page claims to have been last updated in November....)
If you want to enter "Room 21" you will just have to imagine it, as that part of the site is still under construction!!!!!
Chips.. imagining being anywhere but here....
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From: Costa del Hampshire
Maybe, just maybe, the management may just get the idea that we don't really care...
Either that or they will offer yet another slightly different survey until they get an answer that they want!
Either that or they will offer yet another slightly different survey until they get an answer that they want!
