Let Down by IPMS??
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MACC S29 etc,etc. It's simple to get the money---put in your request to get a transfer to LATCC-go on,do it today.
Yes you guys are shifting more traffic as a knock on effect, but it should only be to a maximum of the target sector flow, the level that you were or should have been trained to operate at. Any more and someone's not doing their job properly.ie . the TTC.
LATCC AC is in dire trouble at present, both in terms of service provision and morale. This deal has also led to some splits amongst the ATCOs.
The extra money is a ring-fenced deal that has been necessary for a specific reason due to the NATs managements' inability to listen to what they are being told by the workforce .If you don't want to do feed at NERC, just say sorry not available you're burying grandmother again!
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Yes you guys are shifting more traffic as a knock on effect, but it should only be to a maximum of the target sector flow, the level that you were or should have been trained to operate at. Any more and someone's not doing their job properly.ie . the TTC.
LATCC AC is in dire trouble at present, both in terms of service provision and morale. This deal has also led to some splits amongst the ATCOs.
The extra money is a ring-fenced deal that has been necessary for a specific reason due to the NATs managements' inability to listen to what they are being told by the workforce .If you don't want to do feed at NERC, just say sorry not available you're burying grandmother again!
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OK rationale coming up. The sell back of days in lieu for OCT averaged out at £820 per day. A DIL could be accrued by spending a whole day at NERC or even just travelling down there on a day off. I don't think it is reasonable to compare this type of buy back of time directly with an additional operational duty at LATCC.
I also don't think that a non-op additional duty at NERC as an instructor should have the same rate as the operational duty.
These are only my own feeling on figures and are based on NATs level of desperation, but I feel that the rate should be around £550-£600 for the DIL and non-op duties and around £950-£1000 for the operational duties.
It is imperative that the price for additional operational duties be too high for them to become the norm or there will be no incentive to resolve the crisis.
I also don't think that a non-op additional duty at NERC as an instructor should have the same rate as the operational duty.
These are only my own feeling on figures and are based on NATs level of desperation, but I feel that the rate should be around £550-£600 for the DIL and non-op duties and around £950-£1000 for the operational duties.
It is imperative that the price for additional operational duties be too high for them to become the norm or there will be no incentive to resolve the crisis.
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Well as nobody else is going to challenge the rationale ...
This is the start of a slippery slope. A LATCC / NERC ATCO is paid according to their grade not what they do each day. Using your rationale do we see different rates for a "normal" day in the office versus the Ops room ? Lets take that a stage further. Do those with Clacton validations get more than those with LUS validations ? Or if you are multi valid what about paying you only for what you do on each shift ? work a busy sector and push through the traffic = bonus pay for the day !!
This is the start of a slippery slope. A LATCC / NERC ATCO is paid according to their grade not what they do each day. Using your rationale do we see different rates for a "normal" day in the office versus the Ops room ? Lets take that a stage further. Do those with Clacton validations get more than those with LUS validations ? Or if you are multi valid what about paying you only for what you do on each shift ? work a busy sector and push through the traffic = bonus pay for the day !!
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It may all be irrelevant soon as rumour has it that IPMS are about to pull the deal following one too many mistakes by management in the implementation of the deal.
I understand that people were used to cover sickness-strictly outside the agreement. Funny really that NATS would risk such a vital agreement in this way, or is a delay to NERC abouut to be announced and the workforce can be used as the scapegoats.
It certainly won't be CheeseandHam or Bill Semple based on the bonuses they got last year-between £30-£40k each-and I bet that was pensionable too!!!!!!!!!
I understand that people were used to cover sickness-strictly outside the agreement. Funny really that NATS would risk such a vital agreement in this way, or is a delay to NERC abouut to be announced and the workforce can be used as the scapegoats.
It certainly won't be CheeseandHam or Bill Semple based on the bonuses they got last year-between £30-£40k each-and I bet that was pensionable too!!!!!!!!!
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I heard that rumour too, can’t see the rational behind the union “rules” though. The reason we can’t cope with sickness is the number of people that have to be deployed to Nerc. Take them out the equation and sickness isn’t a problem.
Typically on any duty between 5 and 9 staff are off watch either at Nerc, or on mandatory days in lieu associated with Nerc. (Not including normal leave). It doesn’t seem important to me what shift or why the exact reason for the shortage dictates whether or not we provide cover, it still is Nerc cover at the end of the day.
There has been very little consultation from the union on this issue, they seem to be “winging” it without a clear rationale behind their thinking. Who thought up the “rules of engagement”, are they providing some real benefit to us that I’ve missed.
Without voluntary attendance’s, I reckon it’ll be another summer at Latcc,
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I heard that rumour too, can’t see the rational behind the union “rules” though. The reason we can’t cope with sickness is the number of people that have to be deployed to Nerc. Take them out the equation and sickness isn’t a problem.
Typically on any duty between 5 and 9 staff are off watch either at Nerc, or on mandatory days in lieu associated with Nerc. (Not including normal leave). It doesn’t seem important to me what shift or why the exact reason for the shortage dictates whether or not we provide cover, it still is Nerc cover at the end of the day.
There has been very little consultation from the union on this issue, they seem to be “winging” it without a clear rationale behind their thinking. Who thought up the “rules of engagement”, are they providing some real benefit to us that I’ve missed.
Without voluntary attendance’s, I reckon it’ll be another summer at Latcc,
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It is obvious that NATS are abusing an agreement which was struck to get them out of yet another hole!
The least they can do is to play by the rules, or face the consequences.
It is obvious that NATS are abusing an agreement which was struck to get them out of yet another hole!
The least they can do is to play by the rules, or face the consequences.
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When I was a boss I wanted to get all the useless GMs at airports off their backsides and working - so hopefully TAG will grab them by the balls and make them re-validate their ATC ratings, or kick them out. Then again they keep half the airlines in business with frequent flyer trips to London meetings ....
Wouldn't you love to retrain your recalcitrant boss ?
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Wouldn't you love to retrain your recalcitrant boss ?
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250 kts why would I want to do a stupid thing like that!! Happy where I am thanks! 
You are missing the point!
Anyway thats an old argument now!
Anybody else thing the Union has become more secretive than the KGB lately, thought they were OUR union yet they won't tell us anything!!!
You are missing the point!
Anyway thats an old argument now!
Anybody else thing the Union has become more secretive than the KGB lately, thought they were OUR union yet they won't tell us anything!!!
