NATS privatisation
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Hey Danny we don't have too many topics when we get a debate. Can't you leave us alone to discuss our own thing ?
Lets hear the views of our pension scheme being evaluated a year early. I thought the trustees were working on our behalf.
Also NATS management assured us that they were not opposing the Government because they wanted some influence on the decisions. The only known policy of management was to vehemently oppose a trade sale. Some influence they have asserted !!!
Lets hear the views of our pension scheme being evaluated a year early. I thought the trustees were working on our behalf.
Also NATS management assured us that they were not opposing the Government because they wanted some influence on the decisions. The only known policy of management was to vehemently oppose a trade sale. Some influence they have asserted !!!
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Hi 2 Six 4, believe it or not I'm not Danny but ATC, probably just like your self. I may even work at the same unit, who knows ?
The idea of closing threads is not to stifle debate but is due to that fact that as a thread gets around about the 25 replies mark, it takes a long time to download, especially for people who may be in parts of the world where their ISP has a slow download rate regardless of their own kit. This then ties up the server for longer not just for the downloader but for everyone else on the server at the time. I'm sure Crash Dive or Capt PPRuNe can provide further detail on this for anyone who wants it. Just look on it as a form of flow control
This was explained in general terms on the previous thread when I closed it and I also invited Part 2 to be commenced to continue the debate which you have now done. So what's the problem ?
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The idea of closing threads is not to stifle debate but is due to that fact that as a thread gets around about the 25 replies mark, it takes a long time to download, especially for people who may be in parts of the world where their ISP has a slow download rate regardless of their own kit. This then ties up the server for longer not just for the downloader but for everyone else on the server at the time. I'm sure Crash Dive or Capt PPRuNe can provide further detail on this for anyone who wants it. Just look on it as a form of flow control
This was explained in general terms on the previous thread when I closed it and I also invited Part 2 to be commenced to continue the debate which you have now done. So what's the problem ?
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2 six 4, PPRuNe Radar does not speak with forked tongue. Form of flow control, mumble, bloody Brussels, mutter, hard disk at warp speed etc. etc.
Sorry but that's the way it is. Excellent discussion, we've been following every word here at the Towers but we do have to keep the system running and despite being privatised since its inception PPRuNe is free after all.......... Except to me, Danny and Crashdive. Shome mishtake surely???
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Sorry but that's the way it is. Excellent discussion, we've been following every word here at the Towers but we do have to keep the system running and despite being privatised since its inception PPRuNe is free after all.......... Except to me, Danny and Crashdive. Shome mishtake surely???
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And there was me thinking you were asking us a question, namely,
"Can't you leave us alone to discuss our own thing ?"
Sorry if you didn't actually want an answer, now back to the debate.
Has the latest pay offer been accepted or will we be balloted ? I hear conflicting reports that it's a done deal.
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"Can't you leave us alone to discuss our own thing ?"
Sorry if you didn't actually want an answer, now back to the debate.
Has the latest pay offer been accepted or will we be balloted ? I hear conflicting reports that it's a done deal.
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All,
I've got some questions about privatisation.
I think that it is going to go ahead so in an effort to make some sense of it all - emotions aside can I get some ideas from those at the coalface. You never know someone that is not an asset stripper may buy it and it may be the 'best of bad job'.
1. How much profit did NATS make last year ?, I know that they have to give money back and so on, but how many readies ended up in the coffers.
2. How many people are in NATS ?.
3. Who own's West Drayton ? - the land ?.
4. Why should somebody want to buy NATS ?.
5. Why shoudn't somebody buy NATS ?.
6. Any other comments that you may feel are relevant
This may save me a trip to the library.
Sorry I can't leave my email address for replies -it would destroy what little annonimity I have left.
Thanks...POMPI
I've got some questions about privatisation.
I think that it is going to go ahead so in an effort to make some sense of it all - emotions aside can I get some ideas from those at the coalface. You never know someone that is not an asset stripper may buy it and it may be the 'best of bad job'.
1. How much profit did NATS make last year ?, I know that they have to give money back and so on, but how many readies ended up in the coffers.
2. How many people are in NATS ?.
3. Who own's West Drayton ? - the land ?.
4. Why should somebody want to buy NATS ?.
5. Why shoudn't somebody buy NATS ?.
6. Any other comments that you may feel are relevant
This may save me a trip to the library.
Sorry I can't leave my email address for replies -it would destroy what little annonimity I have left.
Thanks...POMPI
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Pompi, The site at W.Drayton is owned by the Monastry of Defence, it's leased, I believe till about 2010. So only another 11 years till NERC has to work. I think there are about 1500 units (also known as people)who work for NATS. Have you checked out the CAA website www.caa.co.uk/ ? Looks pretty boring but there's probably some stuff on there to answer some of your questions.
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NATS only made the profit designed by statute. A 7% return on capital employed. No such thing as profit because return is agreed in Eurocontrol convention.
Previously I would have been able to read your other questions and answer them - but now I will have to re - select your topic.
NATS only made the profit designed by statute. A 7% return on capital employed. No such thing as profit because return is agreed in Eurocontrol convention.
Previously I would have been able to read your other questions and answer them - but now I will have to re - select your topic.
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Pompi.
2. staff = 5,500 through all organisation in UK.
3. MOD and Hillingdon Council own West Drayton (LATCC)
4. To make a profit where nobody has made a profit (for shareholders) before.
5. Why should they ?
6. Millions
2. staff = 5,500 through all organisation in UK.
3. MOD and Hillingdon Council own West Drayton (LATCC)
4. To make a profit where nobody has made a profit (for shareholders) before.
5. Why should they ?
6. Millions
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Why would anyone with half a brain want to buy an organisation (?) with a huge problemo like the NERC? Might they end up taking on the cost of getting it to work? Would that impress the shareholders? Potential purchasers should also consider corporate responsibility. If (and please God it's only ever if) two aircraft ever swapped paint schemes in mid-air, who's going to take the blame? Apart from the controller(s), of course.
Why would anyone with half a brain want to buy an organisation (?) with a huge problemo like the NERC? Might they end up taking on the cost of getting it to work? Would that impress the shareholders? Potential purchasers should also consider corporate responsibility. If (and please God it's only ever if) two aircraft ever swapped paint schemes in mid-air, who's going to take the blame? Apart from the controller(s), of course.
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These are NATS figures for the last financial year (ending March 1998):
Turnover breaks down as follows:
UK airspace traffic services 439.3m
Airport air traffic services 71.1m
North Atlantic air traffic services 17.1m
Miscellaneous (whatever that is) 7.5m
Total turnover:
535m (up from 518m in 1997)
Profit after interest & tax:
14.7m (up from 13.7m in 1997)
Turnover breaks down as follows:
UK airspace traffic services 439.3m
Airport air traffic services 71.1m
North Atlantic air traffic services 17.1m
Miscellaneous (whatever that is) 7.5m
Total turnover:
535m (up from 518m in 1997)
Profit after interest & tax:
14.7m (up from 13.7m in 1997)
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Thanks Bill,
It was interesing that our watch union rep came round canvassing opinion last week, whereas other union reps were indicating it was already settled at the same time !!
Thanks also for the advice to 2 six 4, there is absolutely no intention to stifle debate, but please everyone remember we are non paying guests here like everyone else here. The effort both monetary and otherwise by Capt PPRuNe, PPRuNe Towers, and Crash Dive is phenomonal so what they say goes !!
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It was interesing that our watch union rep came round canvassing opinion last week, whereas other union reps were indicating it was already settled at the same time !!
Thanks also for the advice to 2 six 4, there is absolutely no intention to stifle debate, but please everyone remember we are non paying guests here like everyone else here. The effort both monetary and otherwise by Capt PPRuNe, PPRuNe Towers, and Crash Dive is phenomonal so what they say goes !!
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Announcement delayed until late July. What is the betting it is done just before the Parliamentary recess ?
Have also heard that ex IPMS General Secretary was knighted last week. His services in running a low key campaign (this time) against privatisation seem to have been rewarded.
Have also heard that ex IPMS General Secretary was knighted last week. His services in running a low key campaign (this time) against privatisation seem to have been rewarded.
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Quote from FT.COM
"Legislation for the privatisation of Nats has been pencilled in for inclusion in this autumn's Queen's Speech, but Labour MPs are lobbying hard for it to be dropped."
At last, something sensible from Labour. I also heard that Brown and Prescott are arguing over who gets the money.. Amazing what you hear in the canteen
"Legislation for the privatisation of Nats has been pencilled in for inclusion in this autumn's Queen's Speech, but Labour MPs are lobbying hard for it to be dropped."
At last, something sensible from Labour. I also heard that Brown and Prescott are arguing over who gets the money.. Amazing what you hear in the canteen
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Over 140 MPs have signed an Early Day motion asking the Government to think again about privatisation and adopt the suggested IPOC that IPMS have proposed. It solves the investment problem and leaves NATS publicly owned and accountable but under a "commercial" management.