SERCO to meet the Unions
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SERCO to meet the Unions
Apparantly the Unions are meeting SERCO tomorrow morning (wednesday) at SERCOs request. I gather SERCO would like to speak to IPMS to find out why they have publically backed the airline bid if PPP does go ahead.
Its quite obvious to me why the Unions are publically backing the Airline bid but apparantly not to SERCO. I just hope the unions tell SERCO in no uncertain terms what they can do with their bid and where they can stick it.
If anyone gets any wind of this meeting, I hope you will share it with us all.
Its quite obvious to me why the Unions are publically backing the Airline bid but apparantly not to SERCO. I just hope the unions tell SERCO in no uncertain terms what they can do with their bid and where they can stick it.
If anyone gets any wind of this meeting, I hope you will share it with us all.
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fanny...if its true that SERCO are to meet the unions ,does that mean PCS are involved...i doubt it ....seems like the divide and rule tactic being used ....most probably going to offer IPMS/BALPA some concrete details on safety not affecting their grades...bye bye ATSA'S
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I have worked for Serco for four years now. It is the best company around. It is also the largest purely private provider of ATC services in the world. Did you know we pushed 4.6 million SAFE aircraft operations here in the states last year alone? How many did the airlines move? None. They know nothing about safety in ATC. You would be lucky to work for Serco.
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sercocontroller ...name the units run by SERCO in the US ...maybe we can see how many SERCO run units actually handled.Its a bit like Lydd claiming to handle 1.8 million SAFE aircraft.Think i would rather pass on the privilege of working for SERCO
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Oh I am sorry I was a bit unclear. In the US 300 Serco controllers moved 4.6 million safe operations last year. I can't provide you with all the facilities we run but if you contact the FAA it is public knowledge and they will tell you it is around 56 on this contract. I know it isn't as interesting as the unfounded claims that Serco would not adhere to safety, but on the other hand it is true.
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Folks please remember that this is one of the guys in the US that has very obviously been SERCO'd to the stage where he's happy to come and post all over this newsgroup but at the first sign of foreign interest in his US newsgroup and SERCO, he shuts his newsgroup down and re-forms it in secret banning all who aren't from the inner sanctum - probably a SERCO shareholder!
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...and another thing...the last time I was on the sercoatcers website (I'm now banned by the way), there was a lady ATC person (position and grade unknown) complaining that she actually earnt LESS than her bin man! She really is compensated well for the responsibility she takes!
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SC.......
"working with you in our company"???
We should be so lucky. if Serco get the contract, many of us who provide valuable support to the ATCO's both operationally and non-operationally will be forced to seek new employment, or being forced to take swingeing pay cuts. The already under-pressure ATCO's will have to perform the support tasks themselves, which they need like a hole in the head.
We know what Serco are like when it comes to changing pay and conditions - here's an example:
http://www.lhmu.org.au/union/161.html
Of course the Serco share price has increased fourfold over the last four years, due to fierce costcutting (staff) and low wages. You cannot combine hard profiteering with safety. The two are incompatible. Serco will cut corners to make a profit. We have seen it before.
I know a number of people who have worked for Serco in the UK, and none of them.. and i mean none.. has had a single good word to say about them.
For example:
http://www.pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/For...ML/000706.html
You are not on the board of NIMBUS by any chance are you??
"working with you in our company"???
We should be so lucky. if Serco get the contract, many of us who provide valuable support to the ATCO's both operationally and non-operationally will be forced to seek new employment, or being forced to take swingeing pay cuts. The already under-pressure ATCO's will have to perform the support tasks themselves, which they need like a hole in the head.
We know what Serco are like when it comes to changing pay and conditions - here's an example:
http://www.lhmu.org.au/union/161.html
Of course the Serco share price has increased fourfold over the last four years, due to fierce costcutting (staff) and low wages. You cannot combine hard profiteering with safety. The two are incompatible. Serco will cut corners to make a profit. We have seen it before.
I know a number of people who have worked for Serco in the UK, and none of them.. and i mean none.. has had a single good word to say about them.
For example:
http://www.pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/For...ML/000706.html
You are not on the board of NIMBUS by any chance are you??
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So Mr SercoController. You work for this wonderful company, and yet can't name a single unit that they operate. That is rather suspicious. I can name EVERY NATS unit.
SERCO know lots about ATC do they, more than the airlines? And they are experts in every other field that they are in? I doubt it.
Are you really a controller? I doubt it.
SERCO know lots about ATC do they, more than the airlines? And they are experts in every other field that they are in? I doubt it.
Are you really a controller? I doubt it.
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Web,
I was not insulting you. You do not work for our company. You are misinformed. And I do not have time to educate you about Serco. It is a great company.
Der,
We have 500 contracts and over 28,000 emoloyees and I keep seeing the same ONE story about Austrailia. I admit I am not familiar with that contract. I am familiar with the safety programs, pay, and benefits as they relate to my ATC contract. I have been on both sides of the fence. I am a 20 year retiree of the FAA. Serco is a great company that cares for it's employees and puts safety ahead of the bottom line. I hope they privatize the FAA soon and Serco gets the contract. But we are all entitled to our own opinions.
I was not insulting you. You do not work for our company. You are misinformed. And I do not have time to educate you about Serco. It is a great company.
Der,
We have 500 contracts and over 28,000 emoloyees and I keep seeing the same ONE story about Austrailia. I admit I am not familiar with that contract. I am familiar with the safety programs, pay, and benefits as they relate to my ATC contract. I have been on both sides of the fence. I am a 20 year retiree of the FAA. Serco is a great company that cares for it's employees and puts safety ahead of the bottom line. I hope they privatize the FAA soon and Serco gets the contract. But we are all entitled to our own opinions.
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having dug around a few websites (not helped by FAA's one appearing to be offline at the moment) I find that Serco bought Barton ATC who are operating as part of the FAA Contract Tower Initiative. Towers in this programme are all "Level 1 VFR Facilities"
In the UK these would probably be staffed with FISO's - hardly comparable to Heathrow/Gatwick/Manchester + the rest.
In the UK these would probably be staffed with FISO's - hardly comparable to Heathrow/Gatwick/Manchester + the rest.
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Poor SC. Does he sound like a brainwash candidate or what?
Having been privatised once and by default having to work for the illustrious IAL/SERCO in the UK and having talked to some of those who still do, I can't really see why anyone would sing their praises.
The SATCO at the ATC unit I worked at was a longterm Company man. He became so impressed with SERCO that he left to join NATS where he is now a happy chappy. BUT ~ he has his resignation letter ready should SERCO succeed. Does that tell you anything?
Having been privatised once and by default having to work for the illustrious IAL/SERCO in the UK and having talked to some of those who still do, I can't really see why anyone would sing their praises.
The SATCO at the ATC unit I worked at was a longterm Company man. He became so impressed with SERCO that he left to join NATS where he is now a happy chappy. BUT ~ he has his resignation letter ready should SERCO succeed. Does that tell you anything?