Aus. ATC Training & Pay
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Aus. ATC Training & Pay
Hi,
Would any people in the employ of Airservices Australia be able to provide me with an insight of a rough figure of remuneration for an entry level controller. Also, does anyone know the length of the training for the tower controller positions which we be opening soon?
Thanks,
JP
Would any people in the employ of Airservices Australia be able to provide me with an insight of a rough figure of remuneration for an entry level controller. Also, does anyone know the length of the training for the tower controller positions which we be opening soon?
Thanks,
JP
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The EBA is currently being negotiated, however; in college $27k, in field after passing college $35k, first rating and journeyman scale $47k to $62k, full performance controller $65k to $100k. Includes shift and weekend penalties, but not public holiday loading. (approx figures). 12 months in college, then 3 months to rate.
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An update to Ferris post 20/8
Current $ are approx $27 900 for ab-initio at commencement rising to $41 800 in final field tng.
On gaining rating and becoming a journeyman
$55 800 - $73 000
Risng to $78 700 - $ 105 400 for a Full Performance Controller
And $ 116 000 for Team Leaders (All approximates in $AUS.)
MAybe to rise with the new CA whenever it may appear.
Current $ are approx $27 900 for ab-initio at commencement rising to $41 800 in final field tng.
On gaining rating and becoming a journeyman
$55 800 - $73 000
Risng to $78 700 - $ 105 400 for a Full Performance Controller
And $ 116 000 for Team Leaders (All approximates in $AUS.)
MAybe to rise with the new CA whenever it may appear.
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Three years to check out????
Which centre was that in?
The training section should be taken out and ventilated
Good to see the "boom or bust" training regime again taking place. I've been watching (involved for 17 years) and it's a never ending cycle.
BTW those 100 guys retiring from the towers over the next couple of years will take years and years to replace.
After all the lead in time is at least 15 months.(and your body will be found in the carpark if you get one before any of the 1400 guys currently in line waiting.
Plenty of jobs there if you want them.
The money
is pretty good when you consider the cost of living in Oz. 
Which centre was that in?
The training section should be taken out and ventilated
Good to see the "boom or bust" training regime again taking place. I've been watching (involved for 17 years) and it's a never ending cycle.
BTW those 100 guys retiring from the towers over the next couple of years will take years and years to replace.
After all the lead in time is at least 15 months.(and your body will be found in the carpark if you get one before any of the 1400 guys currently in line waiting.
Plenty of jobs there if you want them.
The money
is pretty good when you consider the cost of living in Oz.
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Hey Scott,
I think they are talking about the time it took to validate AFTER finishing their school time.
Correct me if I'm wrong guys.
It used to take 3 years in OZ, with some shortened courses for those with "significant aviation experience" and those took a year from go to woe.
I haven't been there for 4 years now so I'm not sure what is happening these days
I think they are talking about the time it took to validate AFTER finishing their school time.
Correct me if I'm wrong guys.
It used to take 3 years in OZ, with some shortened courses for those with "significant aviation experience" and those took a year from go to woe.
I haven't been there for 4 years now so I'm not sure what is happening these days
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Don't be fooled by the big dollars being bandied around, Jimmy Pop. It currently takes about 13 years to get to the top of FPC and if management gets their way with the new certified agreement, many new controllers will NEVER get there! Those that do, it could take some 20 years!!!
Having said that, for God's sake don't let me put you off - do it because it's the best job in the world, not just for the money.
Having said that, for God's sake don't let me put you off - do it because it's the best job in the world, not just for the money.
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Hi there diving duck,
I have made your ID!! How is life in Oman these days? Don't worry, you will never know who this is.
I too have been to the desert and back again, one might say.
As usual the ASA galahs do not have a clue what they are doing.
TTFN
I have made your ID!! How is life in Oman these days? Don't worry, you will never know who this is.
I too have been to the desert and back again, one might say.
As usual the ASA galahs do not have a clue what they are doing.
TTFN
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Reference the employ of Airservices, money is all fine and sweet, but what about location ? Is it a relatively difficult task to move around within the organisation (say between towers, centres etc..). I understand that ML and BN centres are somewhat seperate in their business, and transfers are remote. Does the same go for towers ?
Conversely, if you did want to stay in a particular location, do they consider personal needs ?
cheers
Conversely, if you did want to stay in a particular location, do they consider personal needs ?
cheers
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Regarding transfers, If you end up in one of the centres (BN or ML), you can count on being there for life (no time off for good behaviour). The towers allow/force you to tranfer every so often. A typical progression for a tower controller would be:
College - 1 year, Capital city tower doing SMC/Clearance Delivery 1 to 2 years, Outstation/GAAP tower - 3 to 4 years, back to a capital city ADC - indefinite.
These are all subject to specific staffing needs. Personal preferences don't really come into it at all.
[ 28 August 2001: Message edited by: Four Seven Eleven ]
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[ 28 August 2001: Message edited by: Four Seven Eleven ]
Regarding transfers, If you end up in one of the centres (BN or ML), you can count on being there for life (no time off for good behaviour). The towers allow/force you to tranfer every so often. A typical progression for a tower controller would be:
College - 1 year, Capital city tower doing SMC/Clearance Delivery 1 to 2 years, Outstation/GAAP tower - 3 to 4 years, back to a capital city ADC - indefinite.
These are all subject to specific staffing needs. Personal preferences don't really come into it at all.
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c'mon Tweety...fess up.
You didn't work in SY. BN, CG, Ab Dab, and now up in the tundra in Canada???
Speak oh great one...
the quackster
BTw what is this thread about anyway???
You didn't work in SY. BN, CG, Ab Dab, and now up in the tundra in Canada???
Speak oh great one...
the quackster
BTw what is this thread about anyway???
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It seems to me that the pay is not what it used to be. I have just looked at all the info re the very near recruitment for ATC's with ASA and they state that whilst under training they will not contribute any allowances at all, there fore $27900 is it.Pretty hard to survive and support a family whilst under training. Also it states that the pay after initial training is just over 55K yet the transitional rates that I got from a mate who works at HR in ASA (dated July 01)states the 1st increment for a rated controller is 65K (BN Enroute). What is correct? Also they are placing a bond of 70K for a return of 5 years service, this sounds like the retention benifit that the RAAF controllers got only no benifit just the retention. Is this a new thing??? Last question, with 1400 or so waiting in the wings for TWR positions how will they feel when ASA picks ups some RAAFies or for that fact ab initio guys and gals for TWR positions?
Grate job though - I love it !!!!
Grate job though - I love it !!!!
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If you blokes are really deperate for ATC's there are 435 potential candidates about 4 miles off Christmas Island.
Duck leave Tweety alone he is busy working out his Shift penalaties and early marks, oh sorry none of those in Canada!
Did someone say "Make one right orbit while I do the coord...."?
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Duck leave Tweety alone he is busy working out his Shift penalaties and early marks, oh sorry none of those in Canada!
Did someone say "Make one right orbit while I do the coord...."?
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hey traffictraffic,
nice to see we are thinking of the same lad
I heard about the "coord orbit" as did most of the world, within a few minutes of it happening!!! even though I was several thousand miles away
So Tweety......we know where you live (spoken in a flat Northern Irish accent)
Confess..you ARE the snow goose....admit it or more stories will be forthcoming!!
BTW...the pay?? Not as good as here to be sure, but beats sweeping the streets.
Traffic...shouldn't your location be the big grey screen?
nice to see we are thinking of the same lad
I heard about the "coord orbit" as did most of the world, within a few minutes of it happening!!! even though I was several thousand miles away
So Tweety......we know where you live
(spoken in a flat Northern Irish accent)Confess..you ARE the snow goose....admit it or more stories will be forthcoming!!
BTW...the pay?? Not as good as here to be sure, but beats sweeping the streets.
Traffic...shouldn't your location be the big grey screen?
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Ahhh the lost art of BS ATC banter......
Yes Duck I tawt I saw a pussycat ....as well.
As for the color(s) of my screen, no Im afraid it has two colors, Light Green and Dark Green (Black not withstanding!). But it has plenty of both shades to keep a young fella happy!
The Goose is on the loose, be verwy verwy cawreful.
Yes Duck I tawt I saw a pussycat ....as well.
As for the color(s) of my screen, no Im afraid it has two colors, Light Green and Dark Green (Black not withstanding!). But it has plenty of both shades to keep a young fella happy!
The Goose is on the loose, be verwy verwy cawreful.
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Enroute:
If you are a "Ronny", I think it is $27K for five months then its $46K for 6 weeks till rating then $65K but expect quite a bit more with all the extra bells and whistles......c$120K when you get to team leader
I think an experienced "Ronny" can skip most of the crap if in TWR stream. Get a few transfers though until you get to your final destination (Bris TWR do you Tupela????).
[ 30 August 2001: Message edited by: The Crimson Fruitbat ]
If you are a "Ronny", I think it is $27K for five months then its $46K for 6 weeks till rating then $65K but expect quite a bit more with all the extra bells and whistles......c$120K when you get to team leader
I think an experienced "Ronny" can skip most of the crap if in TWR stream. Get a few transfers though until you get to your final destination (Bris TWR do you Tupela????).
[ 30 August 2001: Message edited by: The Crimson Fruitbat ]