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Upon rating base of Journeyman pay scale for new employees is $55K the previous posted figures relate to pay scales for people already employed by Airservices at the time of an early EBA. It currently takes 13 years to reach top of salary scale which is $105K or $116 for Team leader
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So Tupela, me 'ol chum, did you apply or not?????? 
BTW here is the link to "the union", if the boyz 'n gals get militant you might get lucky...(gotta be in it to win it)
The "club"
BTW here is the link to "the union", if the boyz 'n gals get militant you might get lucky...(gotta be in it to win it)
The "club"
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Hi there Duck and Traffic,
I know who you are but you don't know who I am. Yes, I am an Oz ATC as well.
Tweety and I are mates, and it seems that you have definitely pinned the wrong donkey in this case. Can you get off his case, unless you have positive proof.
Yes, I heard about the "orbit" thing as well. The lad you refer to (not tweety)is in Canada and from what I know is doing very well there.
Also, I hear that they think he is one of the better controllers there and that not manyof the Aussies would make it in Toronto AACC. From my understanding of how busy and complex it is I would have to agree with that observation and if it wasn't for that lads skills he would have never checked out. Surely, everyone is entitled to a guffaw now and then.
So give who ever it is you are talking about the cudos they deserve and get off tweetys back.
Bye for now
I know who you are but you don't know who I am. Yes, I am an Oz ATC as well.
Tweety and I are mates, and it seems that you have definitely pinned the wrong donkey in this case. Can you get off his case, unless you have positive proof.
Yes, I heard about the "orbit" thing as well. The lad you refer to (not tweety)is in Canada and from what I know is doing very well there.
Also, I hear that they think he is one of the better controllers there and that not manyof the Aussies would make it in Toronto AACC. From my understanding of how busy and complex it is I would have to agree with that observation and if it wasn't for that lads skills he would have never checked out. Surely, everyone is entitled to a guffaw now and then.
So give who ever it is you are talking about the cudos they deserve and get off tweetys back.
Bye for now
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PMS come on give us a break, Toronto AACC can't be brain surgery if the lad as you wish to call him (Not Tweety) is one of their better ones. I have worked with him and he is decent but no where near being a gun.
There are many Australian ATC's who have attained ratings throughout the world and to give Toronto AACC a tag like " Not Many of the Aussie ATC's would make it" you are speaking out of the place where the sun doesn't shine. GET REAL!!!!
Gidday Duck, how goes it in the great sandy desert. Can you still talk under water?
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There are many Australian ATC's who have attained ratings throughout the world and to give Toronto AACC a tag like " Not Many of the Aussie ATC's would make it" you are speaking out of the place where the sun doesn't shine. GET REAL!!!!
Gidday Duck, how goes it in the great sandy desert. Can you still talk under water?
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PV,
Sorry buster, but in this case you are speaking out of place. If you have no idea of the complexity of the traffic there then you are speaking out of turn.
I have paid them a visit to that facility and sat down for a few hours during a busy session, and I tell you it is nothing like the walk in the park traffic that we may call busy at home in Oz it is chaotic to say the least. That is why I say not many ATC's in Oz could do it. I did not say he was a gun but had the ability and adaptability to make the change and check out.
Only comment if you know if you don't pull your head in.
As for Tweety it looks like you have pinned the wrong tail on the wrong animal. And even if I did know do you think I would tell you, please???
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Sorry buster, but in this case you are speaking out of place. If you have no idea of the complexity of the traffic there then you are speaking out of turn.
I have paid them a visit to that facility and sat down for a few hours during a busy session, and I tell you it is nothing like the walk in the park traffic that we may call busy at home in Oz it is chaotic to say the least. That is why I say not many ATC's in Oz could do it. I did not say he was a gun but had the ability and adaptability to make the change and check out.
Only comment if you know if you don't pull your head in.
As for Tweety it looks like you have pinned the wrong tail on the wrong animal. And even if I did know do you think I would tell you, please???
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PMS,
you should pay attention to your own posts
that not manyof the Aussies would make it in Toronto AACC. From my understanding of how busy and complex it is I would have to agree with that observation
what a load of dribbel. You have sat in and seen it chaotic.....whilst I dont profess to have your all seeing all knowing abilities from my limited experience just about every sector/tower/app...has its busy periods. To draw a comment like not all aussies would make it, without 1) working there or 2) knowing all Aussies in the job (unless of course you are Dick Smith, then you know everyone) is what is commonly known in the trade as rash generalisation (BS). I dont doubt that Toronto is busy and complex but dont go making uneducated comments.
Only comment if you know
that not manyof the Aussies would make it in Toronto AACC. From my understanding of how busy and complex it is I would have to agree with that observation
what a load of dribbel. You have sat in and seen it chaotic.....whilst I dont profess to have your all seeing all knowing abilities from my limited experience just about every sector/tower/app...has its busy periods. To draw a comment like not all aussies would make it, without 1) working there or 2) knowing all Aussies in the job (unless of course you are Dick Smith, then you know everyone) is what is commonly known in the trade as rash generalisation (BS). I dont doubt that Toronto is busy and complex but dont go making uneducated comments.
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PMS, you truly must be a prat. From your wordly knowledge of maybe 1 day observation at Toronto ACC you have deduced that many ATC's in Aus couldn't make it. You have made this profound statement without knowing a majority of procedures,conflict areas
,military responsibilities etc. I can tell you, I have seen busy airspace in other countries as well and am currently working in one of them. I will agree with you, that yes they are busier, traffic wise, but not necessarily more complex, In several cases it can be merely traffic processing as there are a lot of aircraft but no conflicts. To make a generalisation like the one you have made is not just an indictment on the capabilities of AUS ATC's but highlights the complete lack of understanding you have when it comes to understanding the nature of different ATC Centres.
You should try to get a bit of world experience before making these uneducated remarks or shut up and stay in your little piece of utopia in AUS.
Or maybe you should take the Nike logo and
"Just shut up and do it" before making any futher comments
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,military responsibilities etc. I can tell you, I have seen busy airspace in other countries as well and am currently working in one of them. I will agree with you, that yes they are busier, traffic wise, but not necessarily more complex, In several cases it can be merely traffic processing as there are a lot of aircraft but no conflicts. To make a generalisation like the one you have made is not just an indictment on the capabilities of AUS ATC's but highlights the complete lack of understanding you have when it comes to understanding the nature of different ATC Centres.
You should try to get a bit of world experience before making these uneducated remarks or shut up and stay in your little piece of utopia in AUS.
Or maybe you should take the Nike logo and
"Just shut up and do it" before making any futher comments
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PV,
have been out of town for a while and have just surfed to the web and prune.
I believe that you are the Bart kid from Oz now working somewhere in Europe. Busy stuff over there in Euro land.
Life here in Oz is good.
TTFN
have been out of town for a while and have just surfed to the web and prune.
I believe that you are the Bart kid from Oz now working somewhere in Europe. Busy stuff over there in Euro land.
Life here in Oz is good.
TTFN
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I've read all the Oz banter with interest but can anyone in WA tell me whether there would be openings for an ATC in Perth? I'm married to a Perth girl and would eventually like to get her back to that part of the world.
I've been a military controller for most of my career, but the last 4 years have been spent in civil ATC, I hold UK Tower, App and App Radar ratings and would there be any realistic chance of staying put once there?
Many thanks
I've been a military controller for most of my career, but the last 4 years have been spent in civil ATC, I hold UK Tower, App and App Radar ratings and would there be any realistic chance of staying put once there?
Many thanks
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Colin,
It is a worth a try but I don't like your chances at the moment.
Firstly, with the collapse of Ansett, Airservices has started to cut the hours of non-operational staff. This indicates that if the reduction in revenue continues, that Redundancy in Controller ranks could well occur.
Secondly, there are a lot of people in Melbourne that have been forcibly transferred from Perth to Melbourne in recent times. If any vacancy came up in Perth, some not all, would have Twr and App ratings to apply for the positions. The union is still trying to argue with Airservices over an agreement (already signed by Management) for former Perth staff transferred to Melbourne to return, even if they don't hold those ratings.
Thirdly, there is still a real danger of the Perth TMA moving to Melbourne. If this occurs then there will be a lot of people wanting to stay in/or go to the Tower. This would then soak up any vacancies.
Apart from that, apply and give it a go. It can't hurt. You won't know if you don't apply.
It is a worth a try but I don't like your chances at the moment.
Firstly, with the collapse of Ansett, Airservices has started to cut the hours of non-operational staff. This indicates that if the reduction in revenue continues, that Redundancy in Controller ranks could well occur.
Secondly, there are a lot of people in Melbourne that have been forcibly transferred from Perth to Melbourne in recent times. If any vacancy came up in Perth, some not all, would have Twr and App ratings to apply for the positions. The union is still trying to argue with Airservices over an agreement (already signed by Management) for former Perth staff transferred to Melbourne to return, even if they don't hold those ratings.
Thirdly, there is still a real danger of the Perth TMA moving to Melbourne. If this occurs then there will be a lot of people wanting to stay in/or go to the Tower. This would then soak up any vacancies.
Apart from that, apply and give it a go. It can't hurt. You won't know if you don't apply.
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PV,
No my sign in initials are notthe same as my initials. Would I be so incredibly stupid. I will give you hint: PMS as in female?
That should give you something to think about. What is this about a pool story, you have lost me on that one?
TTFN
No my sign in initials are notthe same as my initials. Would I be so incredibly stupid. I will give you hint: PMS as in female?
That should give you something to think about. What is this about a pool story, you have lost me on that one?
TTFN
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Hey PMS,
you in Brisvegas
or Melbooring?
Just wondering...from the tones of some of your posts, perhaps you could purchase some starflower oil...I hear it helps with your syndrome
To colin Brown...I agree with PV...but if you really want to get to WA, you could try the RAAF...they are promising just about anything to get bums in seats at the moment, you could be lucky. Pearce (their base in WA) is about 40 minutes drive north of Perth.
Good luck anyway, cheers
you in Brisvegas
or Melbooring?
Just wondering...from the tones of some of your posts, perhaps you could purchase some starflower oil...I hear it helps with your syndrome
To colin Brown...I agree with PV...but if you really want to get to WA, you could try the RAAF...they are promising just about anything to get bums in seats at the moment, you could be lucky. Pearce (their base in WA) is about 40 minutes drive north of Perth.
Good luck anyway, cheers
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PMS,
I know plenty of blokes that get it too. Come on Diving Duck is it really that bad in the Mid East? Has to be better than living near Bob Brock park!!!!
PV, you have way too much time on your hands, shouldnt you be studying or something!
I am convinced that PMS and the Canadian Snow Goose are like Clark Kent and Superman! Now if I can just remember where I left my ED book....I mean Kryptonite I could be sure.
I know plenty of blokes that get it too. Come on Diving Duck is it really that bad in the Mid East? Has to be better than living near Bob Brock park!!!!
PV, you have way too much time on your hands, shouldnt you be studying or something!
I am convinced that PMS and the Canadian Snow Goose are like Clark Kent and Superman! Now if I can just remember where I left my ED book....I mean Kryptonite I could be sure.
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Traffic,
We would really know the identity of PMS if he/she replied " can you hang on a minute while I make a phone call " and then return 30mins later.
I think the female angle is a decoy. Although the person I am thinking of can be a bit of a girl sometimes.
We would really know the identity of PMS if he/she replied " can you hang on a minute while I make a phone call " and then return 30mins later.
I think the female angle is a decoy. Although the person I am thinking of can be a bit of a girl sometimes.
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Hey TT, where's Bob Brock Park??
PMS=Snow Goose...hmmm possibilities...
Mind you, he/she sounds a bit punchy...kinda like one that used to be on TOPS then transferred down to Melbourne
Who knows???
PMS=Snow Goose...hmmm possibilities...
Mind you, he/she sounds a bit punchy...kinda like one that used to be on TOPS then transferred down to Melbourne
Who knows???
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Now now girls, no need to get personal, nearly as bad as those pilots ('89 scabs versus non-scabs getting stuck into each other)
Rumours abound that training courses planned for 2002 are about to get the chop due to ASA bleating about revenue shortfall since Ansett collapsed.
If this is the case, I feel it is extremely shortsighted, the over 50's are still going to retire and need replacing.
Oh well, suppose that's typical Airservices planning (or lack thereof)
Rumours abound that training courses planned for 2002 are about to get the chop due to ASA bleating about revenue shortfall since Ansett collapsed.
If this is the case, I feel it is extremely shortsighted, the over 50's are still going to retire and need replacing.
Oh well, suppose that's typical Airservices planning (or lack thereof)
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"Holy revealing statements Batman"
".....Thats right Boy wonder, by using the 'Bart' nickname for PV, the evil Goose, aka PMS has told us his exact identity."
"Gosh Yes Batman but what will we do now..?"
"Like our own Identities, that of PMS shall be revealed to only a few..."
"You mean the few who read PPRUNE?"
"Yes Boy Wonder...."
As for you Duck, a while ago just around the corner towards Lake Kurwongbah you would have found Bob Brock park...but you knew that already didnt you!!
No Controllers were injured or in any way harmed in the making of this post (It is only in fun)
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".....Thats right Boy wonder, by using the 'Bart' nickname for PV, the evil Goose, aka PMS has told us his exact identity."
"Gosh Yes Batman but what will we do now..?"
"Like our own Identities, that of PMS shall be revealed to only a few..."
"You mean the few who read PPRUNE?"
"Yes Boy Wonder...."
As for you Duck, a while ago just around the corner towards Lake Kurwongbah you would have found Bob Brock park...but you knew that already didnt you!!
No Controllers were injured or in any way harmed in the making of this post (It is only in fun)
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