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NATS atco's operational problems, gripes and and other such mumbles are often, believe or not, duplicated at non - NATS units.
If there were to be two ATC forums, I very much doubt that the (often perfectly valid) issues raise by NATS staff would be duplicated outside their own forum, and consequently the outside perspective, which often livens things up, will not be there.
If there were to be two ATC forums, I very much doubt that the (often perfectly valid) issues raise by NATS staff would be duplicated outside their own forum, and consequently the outside perspective, which often livens things up, will not be there.
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Spoonbill, you just beat me to it.
I think a NATS forum would seriously devalue the ATC forum.
Many NATS issues are the same for the rest of us, and lets face it, once you have your own forum, there will be less said on this one.
Next thing we'll get is GISAJOB asking for one!
I think a NATS forum would seriously devalue the ATC forum.
Many NATS issues are the same for the rest of us, and lets face it, once you have your own forum, there will be less said on this one.
Next thing we'll get is GISAJOB asking for one!
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Well, if NATS goes private, (forum that is) I for one will miss out since I won't be able to see what is happening to them... I enjoy reading on how the controllers are feeling about the "new" management company.
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Not exactly gung ho about a private NATS forum.
Two reasons.
One, it might dilute the ATC Issues forum and NATS issues are often applicable to non-NATS units anyway.
Two, NATS would have the opportunity to hide it's dirty washing. As least at the moment it's problems and that of its staff are open to public scrutiny. A good thing surely for a company that claims to be "Open and Honest".
That's my 2p's worth
Rgds BEX
Two reasons.
One, it might dilute the ATC Issues forum and NATS issues are often applicable to non-NATS units anyway.
Two, NATS would have the opportunity to hide it's dirty washing. As least at the moment it's problems and that of its staff are open to public scrutiny. A good thing surely for a company that claims to be "Open and Honest".
That's my 2p's worth
Rgds BEX
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It would be an excellent way for NATS management to find out who we all are. The
AG read this forum, how would they know whats really going on if we have our own secret forum?
Just a thought. The basic idea is good tho. Maybe the NATS only forum could just be used for sensitive issues parts of which could be echoed here?
AG read this forum, how would they know whats really going on if we have our own secret forum?
Just a thought. The basic idea is good tho. Maybe the NATS only forum could just be used for sensitive issues parts of which could be echoed here?
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I think I prefer to keep things as they are at present. TT can be a bit of a t****r at times but at least we're all aware of him. But could we please consider a separate column for the ATC Wannabees?
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no thanks!
firstly by going private we lose the input of people like Scott Voight, amongst others, who often can provide a non-NATS angle to a discussion,
secondly, as others have stated already in this thread many of the NATS threads are often of genuine interest to those employed elsewhere and, if NATS moved to a private forum "ATC Issues" would simply become an empty shell.
Thirdly, when this issue last raised its head (about a year ago?), I also posted against it and despite Pprune Radars assurance that there is no link between gaining membership to the forum and your username, there will be a list of members which potentially could be used against us if management obtained it. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Finally, as I stated last time, the only time I've ever contacted another "ppruner" and used my real name I was subsequently approached by that person who had tracked me down by accessing records that NATS holds on me as one of its employees.
Can I trust a moderator or NATS forum administrator not to do the same?
Once bitten, twice shy...
firstly by going private we lose the input of people like Scott Voight, amongst others, who often can provide a non-NATS angle to a discussion,
secondly, as others have stated already in this thread many of the NATS threads are often of genuine interest to those employed elsewhere and, if NATS moved to a private forum "ATC Issues" would simply become an empty shell.
Thirdly, when this issue last raised its head (about a year ago?), I also posted against it and despite Pprune Radars assurance that there is no link between gaining membership to the forum and your username, there will be a list of members which potentially could be used against us if management obtained it. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Finally, as I stated last time, the only time I've ever contacted another "ppruner" and used my real name I was subsequently approached by that person who had tracked me down by accessing records that NATS holds on me as one of its employees.
Can I trust a moderator or NATS forum administrator not to do the same?
Once bitten, twice shy...
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I think in principle the idea of a 'NATS-only' forum is good and I would like to be part of it if it happens. However, I would miss the different perspectives brought to the threads by non-NATS people, so probably wouldn't vote for it for that reason (if any vote was held).
Put me down as "against".
If it happens I'll join just to read what's going on there, but, if I have something to say, I'll only post on the open ATC Forum.
My reasons? Already been covered by the likes of 250kts and Bexil (and others).
NN
If it happens I'll join just to read what's going on there, but, if I have something to say, I'll only post on the open ATC Forum.
My reasons? Already been covered by the likes of 250kts and Bexil (and others).
NN
DEFINATELY AGAINST!!!
Agree with most of the negatives so far, but ATC forum is small enough to need no diluting! There are already too many forums (fora?) on PPRuNe and each split limits the number of readers and therefore the number of sensible replies. ATC issues are global and affect each aviation user.
Agree with most of the negatives so far, but ATC forum is small enough to need no diluting! There are already too many forums (fora?) on PPRuNe and each split limits the number of readers and therefore the number of sensible replies. ATC issues are global and affect each aviation user.
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100% in favour.
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I've noticed too many times on this forum when someone starts talking about any other ATC provider, they often get the reply "Not on here; I'll email you."
That can be viewed 2 ways; either the person is maintaining confidentiality OR they simply prefer not to post in public.
It's cheeky then to say on this thread that NATS issues are often common to all ATC providers, and that therefore any comments made should remain in the public domain.
After lurking on here for a few months, there are alot of issues which I would have liked contributing to, but which I have considered non-NATS staff have had no right of access to; therefore, I have missed out in contributing to many discussions.
Similarly, I have often felt that threads created for a NATS issue have often been hijacked by a minority who have little input other than to antagonise people who are trying to have a genuine constructive debate.
It has already been mentioned that a NATS forum would in no way dilute the general ATC area. Look at Rumours and News; I am sure that there has been negligible dilution of the quality or quantity of threads as private airline-specific forums have been created.
The same would happen with a private NATS board.
There are issues which should remain out of the public eye.
A private forum would give us an excellent facility for us to discuss the many very important issues affecting us at the moment.
Personally, I couldn't care a flying fig if NATS management did subscribe to such a private forum; afterall, most of them seem to gauage the mood of the staff from the comments made on here anyway !!
So, Mr Moderator, yes please to a NATS forum, and to those non-NATS people who oppose it, remember those names who have for so long spoiled the serious discussions on here with their infantile, churlish contributions.
Regards
Gimpus
100% in favour.
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I've noticed too many times on this forum when someone starts talking about any other ATC provider, they often get the reply "Not on here; I'll email you."
That can be viewed 2 ways; either the person is maintaining confidentiality OR they simply prefer not to post in public.
It's cheeky then to say on this thread that NATS issues are often common to all ATC providers, and that therefore any comments made should remain in the public domain.
After lurking on here for a few months, there are alot of issues which I would have liked contributing to, but which I have considered non-NATS staff have had no right of access to; therefore, I have missed out in contributing to many discussions.
Similarly, I have often felt that threads created for a NATS issue have often been hijacked by a minority who have little input other than to antagonise people who are trying to have a genuine constructive debate.
It has already been mentioned that a NATS forum would in no way dilute the general ATC area. Look at Rumours and News; I am sure that there has been negligible dilution of the quality or quantity of threads as private airline-specific forums have been created.
The same would happen with a private NATS board.
There are issues which should remain out of the public eye.
A private forum would give us an excellent facility for us to discuss the many very important issues affecting us at the moment.
Personally, I couldn't care a flying fig if NATS management did subscribe to such a private forum; afterall, most of them seem to gauage the mood of the staff from the comments made on here anyway !!
So, Mr Moderator, yes please to a NATS forum, and to those non-NATS people who oppose it, remember those names who have for so long spoiled the serious discussions on here with their infantile, churlish contributions.
Regards
Gimpus
