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Now just a minute TrafficTraffic, my best friend happens to be a cocker
spaniel and frankly I will not stand by and listen to someone who obviously
does not understand the concept of honesty and loyalty denigrate this noble animal. And as for common sense, if you really feel management car parking space matters so little then you won’t mind giving up yours.
The principle involved has obviously escaped you.
spaniel and frankly I will not stand by and listen to someone who obviously
does not understand the concept of honesty and loyalty denigrate this noble animal. And as for common sense, if you really feel management car parking space matters so little then you won’t mind giving up yours.
The principle involved has obviously escaped you.
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Perhaps the problem with your parking is just the tip of the iceberg.......
Think more broadly, you guys are (semi)privatised, who do you rely on for your income? Answer TAG. Have you considered the problems that all of these airlines are going through at the moment and how this might apply to your future?
We in Switzerland were going through a little money problem before the demise of swissair. Now the s*** is about to hit the fan with skyguide in financial disaster.
Swissair provided approx 20% of income in en-route and approach charges. Now foreign travel has been canceled, radar positions are closing and jobs in all divisions are on the line.
Stop worrying about the trivial rubbish and start thinking about the big picture!!!!!!!!!!
Think more broadly, you guys are (semi)privatised, who do you rely on for your income? Answer TAG. Have you considered the problems that all of these airlines are going through at the moment and how this might apply to your future?
We in Switzerland were going through a little money problem before the demise of swissair. Now the s*** is about to hit the fan with skyguide in financial disaster.
Swissair provided approx 20% of income in en-route and approach charges. Now foreign travel has been canceled, radar positions are closing and jobs in all divisions are on the line.
Stop worrying about the trivial rubbish and start thinking about the big picture!!!!!!!!!!
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DLN, people are very aware of the wider picture and the possible problems that face us. However the parking issue is very minor but also very indicative of the management attitudes within NATS.ie. do as I say not as I do.
This was a chance for management at a major unit to show that they were prepared to accept some of the pain as well as the rest of us-and they failed miserably!
The best thing TAG can do now is to admit that they must concentrate on getting their core business ie. the airlines, into shape and get the govt to take NATS back into the public sector a la railtrack before it's too late. We'll all try not to say "I told you so" but it'll be tough not to.
This was a chance for management at a major unit to show that they were prepared to accept some of the pain as well as the rest of us-and they failed miserably!
The best thing TAG can do now is to admit that they must concentrate on getting their core business ie. the airlines, into shape and get the govt to take NATS back into the public sector a la railtrack before it's too late. We'll all try not to say "I told you so" but it'll be tough not to.
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As per usual you guys darn sarf, have hijacked another thread with your own so called problems..I'd hazard a guess in saying the walk from your "overflow" carpark is still a shorter distance than the walk we at Manchester used to have to take from the carpark we were in and prefered, to what we have now! The problem we have now is of being moved to the other side of the airfield, (north wales actually!!!) Imagine having to drive to work at LATCC every morning, but having to park in the long stay at Heathrow and catch the bus in! That is why we have a problem with carparking, because of MAPLC's anti-car policy trying to get us to use public transport, like that is any use for an early start! Then when your tired and have finished your shift you again have to wait for a bus to take you back to your car, which may very well have been CLAMPED when you get back to it 
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Why don't all of you come to Sunny ScACC.We are in the process of building a huge new car park with easy access to the old Ops room.And in a couple of years we will still have a huge (nearly new) car park with easy access to the old Ops room. 
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Ahh well, you know if I did have a car park, you blokes would be the first to get it, I mean after all you have to know where you have parked your Saab dont you.
But alas my time is wasted here as whether or not some ATC(O) in LATCC has to walk 100 mtrs or so (Thats about 330 1/3 feet to you uneducated lot) could worry me less. I do note however that the more you worry about your car parks (dare I say lack thereof) that you actual skills as ATC's are decreasing, now that is something TAG should be looking at.
I can see the sick list at LATCC now.......
I.Vectornogood - Sick due car park stress 12/10/2001
Get a collective life,
or borrow somebody elses. If you have any friends, ok lets use acquaintances, outside of work, ask them how important they think your managers car spaces are, why dont you even ring the odd tabloid, I'm sure they'd love to know what is on the minds of London's Finest, and probably you lot too.
BEx, BL ....tell them to stop picking on me...
Cos I left a 0 off me feet, thks for the help chaps.
BTW what does 5nm = in KM??
[ 12 October 2001: Message edited by: TrafficTraffic ]
But alas my time is wasted here as whether or not some ATC(O) in LATCC has to walk 100 mtrs or so (Thats about 330 1/3 feet to you uneducated lot) could worry me less. I do note however that the more you worry about your car parks (dare I say lack thereof) that you actual skills as ATC's are decreasing, now that is something TAG should be looking at.
I can see the sick list at LATCC now.......
I.Vectornogood - Sick due car park stress 12/10/2001
Get a collective life,
or borrow somebody elses. If you have any friends, ok lets use acquaintances, outside of work, ask them how important they think your managers car spaces are, why dont you even ring the odd tabloid, I'm sure they'd love to know what is on the minds of London's Finest, and probably you lot too.
BEx, BL ....tell them to stop picking on me...
Cos I left a 0 off me feet, thks for the help chaps.
BTW what does 5nm = in KM??
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Hey TT,
I see that you failed maths.
100 metres is 330 and a bit feet, not 33.
Don't know what your so called "separation" criteria are
we aim to please, it keeps the cleaners happy
I see that you failed maths.
100 metres is 330 and a bit feet, not 33.
Don't know what your so called "separation" criteria are
we aim to please, it keeps the cleaners happy
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Guys,
I hope u don't mind a military type putting his oar in?
This is a quality thread! Car parking spaces to psychological profiling in 6 posts is pure style!!
Managers should always have their own parking slots for those moments when the workers' only recourse is 4 flat tyres.
ps I think 100m = 325ft. If you ever need a hand with the maths, just give us a shout!
Cheers,
ADIS
I hope u don't mind a military type putting his oar in?
This is a quality thread! Car parking spaces to psychological profiling in 6 posts is pure style!!
Managers should always have their own parking slots for those moments when the workers' only recourse is 4 flat tyres.
ps I think 100m = 325ft. If you ever need a hand with the maths, just give us a shout!
Cheers,
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Your attempts to participate and encite in every thread is matched only by your ignorance of the facts pertaining to those threads.
Be a good chap; unless you can contribute constructively, I would suggest, sir, that you are the one who clearly needs to get a hobby or a life.
Your attempts to participate and encite in every thread is matched only by your ignorance of the facts pertaining to those threads.
Be a good chap; unless you can contribute constructively, I would suggest, sir, that you are the one who clearly needs to get a hobby or a life.
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And whilst I'm on my soap box, people like Traffic Traffic are another excellent example of why we should petition for a private NATS forum, where NATS people can discuss NATS issues without the inane carping and worthless contributions of certain individuals.
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If TT thinks my post was just about car parking spaces then he was missing the point
(as usual, and I promised myself I was not going to rise to his bait again .I guess it's nice to have a hobby
AyrTC
(as usual, and I promised myself I was not going to rise to his bait again .I guess it's nice to have a hobby
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I never questioned the facts in this thread...on the contrary. I find them all to easy too believe based on my dealings with your lot. What I do find questionable is that your so called Professional colleagues are so worried about where your managers park their cars. Thats what really worries me people are taking this as a serious thread.
Sorry 160 just caught your last post.....Yes please give them their OWN NATS FORUM...so real ATC's dont have to suffer the famous Whinging Pom
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I never questioned the facts in this thread...on the contrary. I find them all to easy too believe based on my dealings with your lot. What I do find questionable is that your so called Professional colleagues are so worried about where your managers park their cars. Thats what really worries me people are taking this as a serious thread.
Sorry 160 just caught your last post.....Yes please give them their OWN NATS FORUM...so real ATC's dont have to suffer the famous Whinging Pom
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I think a private NATS forum would be a bit of a shame. Personally I find what you NATS guys have to say quite interesting, I for one would miss finding out whats going on with our neighbours. We are not all prats like TT!!!
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Having a private NATS forum wouldn't detract from the general ATC forum at all; the airlines got their own, and people still talk on the general discussion boards.
I just feel certain NATS-specific issues should be discussed in private because, whilst interesting to read by all and sundry, their quality is often diluted by the immature rantings of people who have no connection to NATS and who post only to carp and snipe.
Enjoyment for the majority is spoiled by the few; it's a shame, as I thought ATCOs as a group were more mature than that.
Having a private NATS forum wouldn't detract from the general ATC forum at all; the airlines got their own, and people still talk on the general discussion boards.
I just feel certain NATS-specific issues should be discussed in private because, whilst interesting to read by all and sundry, their quality is often diluted by the immature rantings of people who have no connection to NATS and who post only to carp and snipe.
Enjoyment for the majority is spoiled by the few; it's a shame, as I thought ATCOs as a group were more mature than that.
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Your ignorance of the facts and why this thread has been raised is abundantly clear. If you had any idea why the issue of extra cost exec. car parking had been raised, then you would understand completely why it has caused such furore and debate.
Your are an excellent example of one who opines about everything yet understands little; how high is that pedestal you've elevated yourself too from which you criticise UK ATCOs?
How brave to hide behind the anonymity of PPRUNE and a profile which says nothing.
Your ignorance of the facts and why this thread has been raised is abundantly clear. If you had any idea why the issue of extra cost exec. car parking had been raised, then you would understand completely why it has caused such furore and debate.
Your are an excellent example of one who opines about everything yet understands little; how high is that pedestal you've elevated yourself too from which you criticise UK ATCOs?
How brave to hide behind the anonymity of PPRUNE and a profile which says nothing.
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I tend to ignore his "contributions", but I find his comments to be less than considerate at a time when things are so volatile.
He's on permanent ignore now anyway
I tend to ignore his "contributions", but I find his comments to be less than considerate at a time when things are so volatile.
He's on permanent ignore now anyway
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Instead of a private NATS forum how about an ATC forum that everyone but Traffic Traffic is allowed to post too!! Cast your votes below!!! 
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