ATC question
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ATC question
I recently bought a little scanner to help brush up on RT prior to taking the exam (PPL)
At home (rather than at my local field) the only clear channels I am able to get are 127.7 and 127.425. From listening these are obviously upper airspace frequencies.
My rather boring question is this. A lot of ATC instructions on these frequencies are to route via "cocksy/coxie" - I don't know how that is spelt.
Can anyone tell me where this waypoint is?
Also, I live fairly near Fairford/Brize and have heard on 127.7 american crews being routed to Fairford using Brize radar - the callsign they use is "bobby". Is this a standard callsign for US mil aircraft?
Thank you to anyone who can help
At home (rather than at my local field) the only clear channels I am able to get are 127.7 and 127.425. From listening these are obviously upper airspace frequencies.
My rather boring question is this. A lot of ATC instructions on these frequencies are to route via "cocksy/coxie" - I don't know how that is spelt.
Can anyone tell me where this waypoint is?
Also, I live fairly near Fairford/Brize and have heard on 127.7 american crews being routed to Fairford using Brize radar - the callsign they use is "bobby". Is this a standard callsign for US mil aircraft?
Thank you to anyone who can help
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The BOBBY callsigns were KC10 and KC135 USAF tanker aircraft taking part in the 48th FW deploy (Missions coronet east 144/145 using F15c's from 493rd FS and F15e's from 492nd FS. Majority of the aircraft would have departed Lakenheath (EGUL) with a few departing Prestwick (EGPK)
BOBBY 01/02/11/12/2171/72/81/82/91/92 air-air refuel with F15C/E'S CUBE 21/24/31/34/41/44/51/55/61/65/71/75
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BOBBY 01/02/11/12/2171/72/81/82/91/92 air-air refuel with F15C/E'S CUBE 21/24/31/34/41/44/51/55/61/65/71/75
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....and it is strictly illegal to use such a radio and telling everyone on hear what you have heard will increase the likelihood of gentlemen knocking on your door...
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Heathrow Director, I don't see why you have an issue with spotters etc. listening in on scanners. As a young lad my interest in listening into ATC sparked the interest which led to my eventual career.
p.s. I'm not talking about the ones with the little Tx button on the side ... which some little
used to broadcast Radio 1 on my frequency. I mean Radio1! It wouldn't have been so bad if it was Radio 2 or Classic FM.
p.s. I'm not talking about the ones with the little Tx button on the side ... which some little
used to broadcast Radio 1 on my frequency. I mean Radio1! It wouldn't have been so bad if it was Radio 2 or Classic FM.
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Bol, I think if you read HD's post again, you'll see it's not "an issue", just a statement over the legality. And our US brothers can get a little funny about things like that.
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Bol (who discloses nothing in his profile so probably isn't an aviation professional): It['s not a matter of me having an "issue". Using scanners and similar gear is illegal in the UK and my posting was intended as a gentle reminder of this fact. If you want to discuss matters further please email me direct.
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Nothing wrong with listening, IMO, as long as one doesn't push the TX button...
And I know now how Jerricho accumulated 3393 posts in 18 months. He wrote his most recent post at 3AM local Winterpeg time.
And I know now how Jerricho accumulated 3393 posts in 18 months. He wrote his most recent post at 3AM local Winterpeg time.
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I wouldn't worry too much about the "legality" of using a scanner. Let's face it your average local plod would have no idea and the people who would are quite happy to turn a blind eye. If not then the first thing they would do would be to ban them from manufacture and sale to the public. And to have a real good purge why not go to any airshow or busy airport. Could fill a few busloads with spotting "criminals" in no time.
Come on, apart from Greece maybe has anybody ever been locked up for using a scanner?
Come on, apart from Greece maybe has anybody ever been locked up for using a scanner?
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Spuds, if you spent any time hanging out in Jet Blast, you would know there are several "me's" out there.........as well as my boss, my dog and my mistress........as well as the MIL 
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Or maybe I just wet the bed. Or am up practicing my new Canadian phraseology.
.Or maybe I just wet the bed. Or am up practicing my new Canadian phraseology.
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Heathrow Director, don't take it personally. I was merely pointing out that I see no harm in someone listening into ATC frequencies.
I couldn't care less if someone listens to me.
I'll take you at your word that it is illegal to listen in on ATC, but it doesn't stop high street shops from selling scanners.
I haven't disclosed the colour of my underwear either, doesn't mean I'm not wearing any.
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Jerricho, I heard a story of some ATCO's from SCATCC who were spotting at Chicago on just after 9/11 who's hotel room was raided by the FBI.
I couldn't care less if someone listens to me.
I'll take you at your word that it is illegal to listen in on ATC, but it doesn't stop high street shops from selling scanners.
Bol (who discloses nothing in his profile so probably isn't an aviation professional):
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Jerricho, I heard a story of some ATCO's from SCATCC who were spotting at Chicago on just after 9/11 who's hotel room was raided by the FBI.
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It certainly happens Bol. Ask Hammy (who I haven't seen inject his brand of humour for a while ) about one of his little trips to Euroland or the States.
) about one of his little trips to Euroland or the States.
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Exactly. Except I think you'll find it's
"Expect descent in aboot 10 miles, 'eh budday"
(BTW, who says I'm in the Peg at the moment And no smart comments from you jokers about my phraseology in the UK.)
"Expect descent in aboot 10 miles, 'eh budday"
(BTW, who says I'm in the Peg at the moment
And no smart comments from you jokers about my phraseology in the UK.)
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Oh dear.
Sorry I started this thread.
I bought the thing because it was recommended by my instructor, who did not tell me it was illegal. This is a bit embarassing because I am a lawyer!
So if Big Brother is watching I am sorry and will not do it again - until I've got the licence.
PS I know listening to upper airspace traffic is not much use for the PPL but, in the old days when I switched the scanner on, it was nevertheless quite interesting trying to picture where everyone was and where they were going.
Sorry I started this thread.
I bought the thing because it was recommended by my instructor, who did not tell me it was illegal. This is a bit embarassing because I am a lawyer!
So if Big Brother is watching I am sorry and will not do it again - until I've got the licence.
PS I know listening to upper airspace traffic is not much use for the PPL but, in the old days when I switched the scanner on, it was nevertheless quite interesting trying to picture where everyone was and where they were going.
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Of course you could always go and get a Radio Operators Licence and then you wouldn't be doing anything illegal, by using an airband radio at all.
I'm sure it isn't THAT expensive if it is really your hobby.
I'm sure it isn't THAT expensive if it is really your hobby.
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I wouldn't worry too much about it. Prolly the best thing is to try and get a visit to a local tower or something along those lines . And ask loads of questions
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Keendog, It's also illegal to be Welsh in Chester on a Sunday or somesuch medieval twaddle. I'm not Welsh and I've never been to Chester but I'll guess this isn't the local boys in blue's prime concern.
I know of no instance of an aviation enthusiast having been prosecuted for listening to an airband radio in the UK.
I know of no instance of an aviation enthusiast having been prosecuted for listening to an airband radio in the UK.
Keendog,
I echo the sentiments of many of our respondents. If you're using a receiver at an airport, use headphones or an earpiece. If you're in public, keep the volume at a reasonable level so you don't annoy others. If there are signs forbidding the use of radio receivers, obey them. Finally, if you overhear an emergency in progress or something equally 'juicy' then keep it to yourself, no matter how tempting it may be to spread the word. In short, just be discreet.
Good luck and good listening
I echo the sentiments of many of our respondents. If you're using a receiver at an airport, use headphones or an earpiece. If you're in public, keep the volume at a reasonable level so you don't annoy others. If there are signs forbidding the use of radio receivers, obey them. Finally, if you overhear an emergency in progress or something equally 'juicy' then keep it to yourself, no matter how tempting it may be to spread the word. In short, just be discreet.
Good luck and good listening