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Sorry if this has been discussed!
I gather the term MAYDAY is derived from the french " help me"
But.... I was wondering about the term PAN, I guessed it is not derived from the term "bread"
"Bread bread, bread bread, bread bread"
Just does not sound right.
I gather the term MAYDAY is derived from the french " help me"
But.... I was wondering about the term PAN, I guessed it is not derived from the term "bread"
"Bread bread, bread bread, bread bread"
Just does not sound right.
I'm 99% certain that "PAN" comes from the French "en panne" meaning "breakdown". The long-defunct third category of priority message, "SECURITÉ", was also of French derivation meaning "safety".
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Securite is technically not defunct - albeit it's generally restricted to shipping communication. It is used to warn others of dangers or hazards.
You won't find it in any ICAO material, but it does appear in generic radio communication documents.
You won't find it in any ICAO material, but it does appear in generic radio communication documents.
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During my initial simulator training (when Pontius was a pilot) one of the blip drivers called "PAN, we have a fire in the galley". I always thought that's what it meant!
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In recent years, I have heard 'securite' broadcast by D & D on UHF guard to warn mil ac to avoid recent crash sites. I've also heard it used by civ ATCCs on VHF guard to alert ac to areas of reported severe cat and icing.
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A "Securite" broadcast was transmitted on 121.5 yesterday morning regarding a temporary exclusion zone around Boscastle, Cornwall, UK.
I can't find any details about "securite" in CAP 413. Could someone direct me to the appropriate (official) document which details when and how this R/T call is made? Thanks.
I can't find any details about "securite" in CAP 413. Could someone direct me to the appropriate (official) document which details when and how this R/T call is made? Thanks.
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Couldn't find a relevant CAP publication, but this was taken from a Coastgaurd document.
"Urgency messages are preceded by the urgency signal “PAN PAN” and the identification of the transmitting
station, repeated three times. The urgency signal “PAN PAN” indicates that a very important message is to follow
concerning the safety of a vessel, aircraft or other vehicle, or the safety of a person.
(iii) Likewise, safety messages are preceded by the safety signal “SECURITE” and the identification of the
transmitting station, repeated three times. The safety signal “SECURITE” indicates that an important meteorological
or navigational warning is about to follow."
Hope it helps
"Urgency messages are preceded by the urgency signal “PAN PAN” and the identification of the transmitting
station, repeated three times. The urgency signal “PAN PAN” indicates that a very important message is to follow
concerning the safety of a vessel, aircraft or other vehicle, or the safety of a person.
(iii) Likewise, safety messages are preceded by the safety signal “SECURITE” and the identification of the
transmitting station, repeated three times. The safety signal “SECURITE” indicates that an important meteorological
or navigational warning is about to follow."
Hope it helps
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Have any Atco's out there ever received a Pan call, as in "PanPan,PanPan,PanPan"? I've dealt with more than a few emergencies in my time and, with the exception of the military, emergency calls tend to start with "erm...we've got a slight technical problem..."
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Bol zup we had a classic pan call a few months ago from a Scandinavian operator. Phraseology was exactly as the book required.
I have personally had 3 in the last 10 years and they were all very clearly called. Then again I've had lots of US registered aircraft who seem to have a lengthy conversation about something not working and have to be asked several times if they are declaring an emergency. The most urgent reply is usually along the lines of ..... yeh I suppose so.
I have personally had 3 in the last 10 years and they were all very clearly called. Then again I've had lots of US registered aircraft who seem to have a lengthy conversation about something not working and have to be asked several times if they are declaring an emergency. The most urgent reply is usually along the lines of ..... yeh I suppose so.
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Foreign Language
I always thought that Pan had a german origin for Breakdown.
But since the international language of aviation is English, why do people start speaking a foreign language once the s**t hit the fan????????????
But since the international language of aviation is English, why do people start speaking a foreign language once the s**t hit the fan????????????
