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In another forum a question came up I would like to know you guys opinion.
A formation flight in IFR proceding to initial: is it necessary to cancel IFR on the frequençy? Is it just assumed by all parties that from initial on, it's VFR and no statement needs to be made?
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A formation flight in IFR proceding to initial: is it necessary to cancel IFR on the frequençy? Is it just assumed by all parties that from initial on, it's VFR and no statement needs to be made?
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Whenever I have fighters rejoining via IP, I always look at them same way as I look on a visual approach - I offer seperation to other aircrafts, the pilot is responsible for seperation to terrain. So the answer is NO, you don't have to cansel your IFR, and no, I will not look at you as VFR.
And the formation will still be looked upon as a single flight, and no traffic information or seperation is given or offered to the ones in the formation, and clearences are given to the formation as one.
And the formation will still be looked upon as a single flight, and no traffic information or seperation is given or offered to the ones in the formation, and clearences are given to the formation as one.
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We would look at the WX conditions. Special VFR? Then IFR separation. But not "between" the formation members, when they "break".
The TWR can reduce separation, when he has got everybody in sight and .....
Thus there is "good" SVFR. (Low cloudbase/ good vis. below)
And "bad" SVFR.
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The TWR can reduce separation, when he has got everybody in sight and .....
Thus there is "good" SVFR. (Low cloudbase/ good vis. below)
And "bad" SVFR.
Best regards
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At KFWA whenever a military flight is doing an overhead their IFR clearance is automatically terminated at their INITIAL POINT, and from there on they are VFR. Same thing when they do SFO's, when they report leaving High Key they are VFR.
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Mike,
Is that per LOA? Also, what if it were an actual flame out, and not an SFO? Would IFR terminate at high key or would you protect for IFR to the runway?
My brain is not cooperating right now and I don't have a .65 at hand...
Dave
Is that per LOA? Also, what if it were an actual flame out, and not an SFO? Would IFR terminate at high key or would you protect for IFR to the runway?
My brain is not cooperating right now and I don't have a .65 at hand...
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Answering for Mike <G>;
The VFR at Initial is not per LOA, that is by the book <G>, both the ATP and AIM. The overhead procedure in the US is stricktly a VFR procedure. As for the high key and practice SFO ( simulated Flame out ) you are VFR for the practice. If it is for real, you are an emergency and it doesn't matter <G>, we are going to do ANYTHING that we to do to get you on the ground safely...
regards
Scott
The VFR at Initial is not per LOA, that is by the book <G>, both the ATP and AIM. The overhead procedure in the US is stricktly a VFR procedure. As for the high key and practice SFO ( simulated Flame out ) you are VFR for the practice. If it is for real, you are an emergency and it doesn't matter <G>, we are going to do ANYTHING that we to do to get you on the ground safely...
regards
Scott
