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Of course Lyneham is the place to come for training!! (That statement is bound to start another thread out there !!!)
The RPAR procedures re IFR/VFR are not due to Class D airspace - they are due to the restrictions in place. Any aerodrome can ask a BritMil singleton if they will accept a VFR PAR thus the 5nm/2000ft separation will not be required. Our Class D is 2nm to the north of the final approach course and 6nm to the south; as you can see under IFR we still need to terminate against the unknowns to the north or over the top (patterns flown at 2000ft E vs class D at 3500 ft H).
If you wish to apply the same then give someone a call at the secret Wiltshire airbase and I'm sure we can steer you in the right direction w.r.t local orders etc.
If not, then send your traffic to us and we can do even more training.
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Of course Lyneham is the place to come for training!! (That statement is bound to start another thread out there !!!)
The RPAR procedures re IFR/VFR are not due to Class D airspace - they are due to the restrictions in place. Any aerodrome can ask a BritMil singleton if they will accept a VFR PAR thus the 5nm/2000ft separation will not be required. Our Class D is 2nm to the north of the final approach course and 6nm to the south; as you can see under IFR we still need to terminate against the unknowns to the north or over the top (patterns flown at 2000ft E vs class D at 3500 ft H).
If you wish to apply the same then give someone a call at the secret Wiltshire airbase and I'm sure we can steer you in the right direction w.r.t local orders etc.
If not, then send your traffic to us and we can do even more training.
Rej
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If this is not the case how are you getting round the rule that civilian and foreign pilots are always to be considered IFR.
Below quote from EGDL NOTAM.
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The RPAR procedures re IFR/VFR are not due to Class D airspace
Below quote from EGDL NOTAM.
PILOTS OF FOREIGN AND CIVILIAN ACFT ARE ONLY PERMITTED TO FLY PAR APCH UNDER VFR
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As I said, any pilot of a Brit Mil ac could fly a VFR PAR.
The first NOTAM you quoted was a simple, yet significant, typo that was rectified within a few minutes. The second referred to IFR PARs for foreign and civ pilots.
Hope that clarifies any misunderstanding.
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As I said, any pilot of a Brit Mil ac could fly a VFR PAR.
The first NOTAM you quoted was a simple, yet significant, typo that was rectified within a few minutes. The second referred to IFR PARs for foreign and civ pilots.
Hope that clarifies any misunderstanding.
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Sadly the revised NOTAM does not appear to have been issued - check of AIS site (1600 on 19 Feb) still says:
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[Edited Due Typists Stupidity]
Sadly the revised NOTAM does not appear to have been issued - check of AIS site (1600 on 19 Feb) still says:
PILOTS OF FOREIGN AND CIVILIAN ACFT ARE ONLY PERMITTED TO FLY PAR APCH UNDER VFR
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[Edited Due Typists Stupidity]
In the short term why don't we switch the tags off, and do a 'Talkdown' on the track only, using the RPAR and the WHI function. Most qualified controllers could give a safe and accurate talkdown on a primary only contact.
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I don't think it's quiet as simple as that, as the dot is not a primary return but a processed return, so the problem still occurs with the tags off.
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I don't think it's quiet as simple as that, as the dot is not a primary return but a processed return, so the problem still occurs with the tags off.
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In the words of many an 'ehm' esteemed instructor at JATCC
HOW SAFE IS THAT!!!!
Glad i don't have to do PARs any more!
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God how i miss those duel talkdowns, 4mile spacing in Green or Amber.
Trying to do servo and gain for the 'chap' next to you and wondering whether or not they could see their track!
then the supervisor comes over and tries to tell you that after these your going to tower to relieve the controller as they need a break!!!!!!!!
Why is it always s
y weather during JMC???
back in the box i go! 
HOW SAFE IS THAT!!!!
Glad i don't have to do PARs any more!
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God how i miss those duel talkdowns, 4mile spacing in Green or Amber.
Trying to do servo and gain for the 'chap' next to you and wondering whether or not they could see their track!
then the supervisor comes over and tries to tell you that after these your going to tower to relieve the controller as they need a break!!!!!!!!
Why is it always s
y weather during JMC??? back in the box i go!
