Registration callsigns - really basic question!
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From: Pompano Beach,FL- USA
To shift the direction away from most of the postings, I'd like to get an international opinion and maybe even one from those American guys.
Is it true that the controller will call you anything you want to be called?
Why in the US do some people use the N before their N number if a US registered airplane? Do some instructors teach that and would or does ATC require or request it?
That's why I asked the first question. If you call in as November 1-2-3-4-5, in the world or the US is the controller required to call you November 1-2-3-4-5 ?
The other part of the question involves something that might be answerable by some. Why does almost everybody but the US call the runway as Runway 05 (ZERO FIVE) rather than Runway FIVE? It's the same runway and it just ties up the frequency more by adding more unnessessary words.
On airline flights, why do many countries in the world put ZEROS in their flight numbers??? It could be Air Canada 008 (ZERO ZERO EIGHT) or Singapore 005 (ZERO ZERO FIVE). In the US we never put useless ZEROS and I don't know why the rest of the world does it different. It just adds to frequency congestion and makes the system less safe IMHO.
As to the ATC issue, I go back to my first question. Will ATC call you whatever you want to be called?
The other question I have (full of questions today that I can't find answers for) is why do many air carrier pilots use the initial call up procedure and waste tramissions for some simple request?
The frequency could be DEAD and people still use the initial call up procedure. They must have been taught that way.
EXAMPLE:
Airline 123: Center , Airline 123 Request
ATC : Airline 123, Go ahead
Airline 123: Airline 123 requests 350
ATC : Airline 123, Climb to and Maintain 350
IMHO, this just tied up the frequency.
In the US (not sure of other countries) Flight Service Stations generally need an initial call up,but ATC facilities that are full time are always there. And unless you have some long complicated request, the initial request could be done in one transmission.
Your ideas???
Is it true that the controller will call you anything you want to be called?
Why in the US do some people use the N before their N number if a US registered airplane? Do some instructors teach that and would or does ATC require or request it?
That's why I asked the first question. If you call in as November 1-2-3-4-5, in the world or the US is the controller required to call you November 1-2-3-4-5 ?
The other part of the question involves something that might be answerable by some. Why does almost everybody but the US call the runway as Runway 05 (ZERO FIVE) rather than Runway FIVE? It's the same runway and it just ties up the frequency more by adding more unnessessary words.
On airline flights, why do many countries in the world put ZEROS in their flight numbers??? It could be Air Canada 008 (ZERO ZERO EIGHT) or Singapore 005 (ZERO ZERO FIVE). In the US we never put useless ZEROS and I don't know why the rest of the world does it different. It just adds to frequency congestion and makes the system less safe IMHO.
As to the ATC issue, I go back to my first question. Will ATC call you whatever you want to be called?
The other question I have (full of questions today that I can't find answers for) is why do many air carrier pilots use the initial call up procedure and waste tramissions for some simple request?
The frequency could be DEAD and people still use the initial call up procedure. They must have been taught that way.
EXAMPLE:
Airline 123: Center , Airline 123 Request
ATC : Airline 123, Go ahead
Airline 123: Airline 123 requests 350
ATC : Airline 123, Climb to and Maintain 350
IMHO, this just tied up the frequency.
In the US (not sure of other countries) Flight Service Stations generally need an initial call up,but ATC facilities that are full time are always there. And unless you have some long complicated request, the initial request could be done in one transmission.
Your ideas???
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From: Fort Worth ARTCC ZFW
Hi Jim;
In the US we are required by handbook to use N in front of the call sign if we are just using the tail number. We can delete the N if we use the type of aircraft as in Cherokee 44P.
regards
Scott
In the US we are required by handbook to use N in front of the call sign if we are just using the tail number. We can delete the N if we use the type of aircraft as in Cherokee 44P.
regards
Scott
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From: Pompano Beach,FL- USA
Scott...Your answer made me think of a great joke.
The pilot of 55Whisky calls ATC and the controller says to report downwind. The controller sees an airplane on downwind and takes out the binoculars and asks, "55Whisky, are you a Skymaster?" 55W replies, "No, I'm just a student pilot!"
The pilot of 55Whisky calls ATC and the controller says to report downwind. The controller sees an airplane on downwind and takes out the binoculars and asks, "55Whisky, are you a Skymaster?" 55W replies, "No, I'm just a student pilot!"
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Airline 123: Center , Airline 123 Request
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