NATS Pay/WP
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I asked a rep yesterday and it looks like this:
2 year offer.
3% in year 1 followed by RPI+ 0.75% in year 2.
This would be payable to all of the negotiating groups.
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NATS want a commitment from the ATCOs to extend/renew the AAVA scheme and also to link it to the proposed restructuring.
So what do ATCOs get extra for the strings attached which apply only to them-Sweet FA as far as I can see!!
2 year offer.
3% in year 1 followed by RPI+ 0.75% in year 2.
This would be payable to all of the negotiating groups.
BUT
NATS want a commitment from the ATCOs to extend/renew the AAVA scheme and also to link it to the proposed restructuring.
So what do ATCOs get extra for the strings attached which apply only to them-Sweet FA as far as I can see!!
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Well i wont be voting for that one here we go again should get it sorted out by sep 04
Oh and dont agree any deal on AAVA and then what will they do perhaps be pro-active for once!!! Oh no to late
Oh and dont agree any deal on AAVA and then what will they do perhaps be pro-active for once!!! Oh no to late
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would i be right in assumming that our illustrious leaders, of our powder dry union, truely believe management, that they are actually " broke" this year. A poor state of affairs really, well I suppose professional managers, on personal contracts will shortly be departing the building , so to speak!!!!!!!!!!!, but then again maybe not.
If we are broke, but we all worked our socks off moving more & more of the wrong type of revenue earning " blips", this year & expect to do the same next, how the **** are we ever going to get into profit & afford a sensible pay award?
Perhaps we will just extend the AAVA agreement to help out our management colleagues, just long enough to loose any advantage that we currently hold, surely not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If we are broke, but we all worked our socks off moving more & more of the wrong type of revenue earning " blips", this year & expect to do the same next, how the **** are we ever going to get into profit & afford a sensible pay award?
Perhaps we will just extend the AAVA agreement to help out our management colleagues, just long enough to loose any advantage that we currently hold, surely not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The Public Accounts Committee report shows that we're not broke just in debt.
It says that 10% of our income goes into paying interest and this is planned to rise as more money is invested.
Well, if I were a Union Rep I'd be saying that it's time they invested in their loyal staff and created the incentive for talented young people to join the profession before the Retirement Bulge.
It says that 10% of our income goes into paying interest and this is planned to rise as more money is invested.
Well, if I were a Union Rep I'd be saying that it's time they invested in their loyal staff and created the incentive for talented young people to join the profession before the Retirement Bulge.
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Nats eh!
they ain't the only employer, well unless you're area and don't fancy the lowlands or canada.
however they don't bond you I think, It would be interesting to see how EMA-BHX or cardiff- bristol terms and conditions compare
they ain't the only employer, well unless you're area and don't fancy the lowlands or canada.
however they don't bond you I think, It would be interesting to see how EMA-BHX or cardiff- bristol terms and conditions compare
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I cannot see the problem with Mr Everitts 40% pay increase. He has been responsible for increasing productivity with the same number of staff or fewer by the use of overtime(AAVA), keeping paylevels below inflation, pension contribution holiday, reducing non ATC staff and therefore reducing the wage bill, reducing expenditure by not allowing liaision visits and/or fam flights. Oh yes, and rapidly increasing traffic levels as well. I think that he is worth every penny!!!
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I seem to remember having all these discussions two years ago...everyone saying "I won't vote for it"...."lets show them some real power...".
Then off course the Southern units get offered a nice little earner in the form of hundreds of pounds for AVAA and all of a sudden the poxy deal that we all didn't want last time and were so vociferous about rejecting was accepted....cos we all know that the real power base of the Union is somewhere south of the Thames and if management keep them happy then it gets through. Hence mega buck AVAA and everyone else gets offered standard overtime if lucky but more usually a Day In Lieu...and no buy back of some stupid amounts of DIL accrued.
I don't grudge you the money guys...have worked there and wouldn't go back if you paid me...even for mega buck AVAA
...but for heavens sake how about some unity on this issue...how about stopping all the in-fighting that appears to be going on between ATCO, ATSA, TELS and support staff grades.Show a united front and actually fight for what we want together. You can bet your bottom dollar that senior management somewhere will read this and will be p
sing themselves laughing at the way all this bickering is going on...they don't need to divide and rule, we appear to be doing it all by ourselves.
As for the company being in debt...it certainly didn't stop some SMG members taking a nice big fat bonus/pay off cheque...so if the money is there for that why shouldn't we all be renumerated handsomely?
In the meantime I'll look forward to my back pay in July
Then off course the Southern units get offered a nice little earner in the form of hundreds of pounds for AVAA and all of a sudden the poxy deal that we all didn't want last time and were so vociferous about rejecting was accepted....cos we all know that the real power base of the Union is somewhere south of the Thames and if management keep them happy then it gets through. Hence mega buck AVAA and everyone else gets offered standard overtime if lucky but more usually a Day In Lieu...and no buy back of some stupid amounts of DIL accrued.
I don't grudge you the money guys...have worked there and wouldn't go back if you paid me...even for mega buck AVAA
...but for heavens sake how about some unity on this issue...how about stopping all the in-fighting that appears to be going on between ATCO, ATSA, TELS and support staff grades.Show a united front and actually fight for what we want together. You can bet your bottom dollar that senior management somewhere will read this and will be p sing themselves laughing at the way all this bickering is going on...they don't need to divide and rule, we appear to be doing it all by ourselves. As for the company being in debt...it certainly didn't stop some SMG members taking a nice big fat bonus/pay off cheque...so if the money is there for that why shouldn't we all be renumerated handsomely?
In the meantime I'll look forward to my back pay in July
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from one of our reps today the next meeting is scheduled for the 22nd December. Apparently at the last meeting we were "worlds apart". The rep also said that NATS wanted the AVA agreement taken into the WP so it couldn't be used as a lever at every subsequent pay talks to extract more money.
With the AVA agreement due to run out on the 1st Jan, that gives them about 9 days to get it through before we effectively begin an overtime ban I suppose. Or are we keeping our powder dry?
With the AVA agreement due to run out on the 1st Jan, that gives them about 9 days to get it through before we effectively begin an overtime ban I suppose. Or are we keeping our powder dry?
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Why go ahead with the overtime ban? It's the only way you guys can enhance your pay packet, and its the only way management can minimise the impact of previous mistakes on the travelling public.
More delays will do nothing for your cause, except maybe make you some enemies. You are doing a good job propping up the system which I am sure has not gone unrecognised by our pilot colleagues. Many operators are creaking under the financial strains of the last couple of years, why be part of something that could push some over the edge.
Keep doing the overtime then YOU can use it as a lever. Take the money while it's there.
Just my two bobs worth.
Standing by to be "corrected", over.
More delays will do nothing for your cause, except maybe make you some enemies. You are doing a good job propping up the system which I am sure has not gone unrecognised by our pilot colleagues. Many operators are creaking under the financial strains of the last couple of years, why be part of something that could push some over the edge.
Keep doing the overtime then YOU can use it as a lever. Take the money while it's there.
Just my two bobs worth.
Standing by to be "corrected", over.