derogatory comments

[wunula dreaming]

To the Virgin Captain in Darwin very early Friday morning. "Look there goes a scab" comment directed at QF crew was incorrect, uncalled for and stupid. I am sure that most of your Virgin counterparts would be equally embarrassed. 89 was 14 years ago and most of the F/Os I fly with were still in primary school.

[Keg]

There are drongoes on all sides of the aviation fence and their ranks reach into all airlines. I guess this example highlights that fact yet again! :(

Can we just leave the name calling to the bloke (or gal) sitting next to us?!?!?! Besides that, even if you do want to call out names, I think every F/O on the B737 has joined QF post dispute and now a lot of the Captains are formerly from the 'other' side of the airline- not that their are sides anymore! ;) So not only does someone making that sort of comment about scabs show themselves to be ignorant but they'd also run a fair chance of being wrong.

[Sperm Bank]

Wunula on behalf of the NORMAL people at Virgin I would like to apologise for that comment being directed at you.Most of us have much better things to do than carry on with that sort of rubbish.

[bonvol]

In the good old days you could safely assume that all the QF Capts on the 737 were scabs. Not anymore, but having said that there are still plenty there.

Virgin have scabs now too from what we are led to believe so it must be one happy crewroom there these days.

[VB_Capt]

wunula I am embarrassed also. I am pre 89, realise I made the biggest mistake of my life not goiung back to work then, and have put it behind me. The only people who these idiots hurt are themselves. bonvol you sound like one of the idiots. I don't think there will be problems in the crew rooms. The word is out that if the 'new' guys are verbally roughed up it will be on from the top down. It's likely that they were only employed to reduce the chances of legal action for disxcrimination. If that's so, all the lunatics had better toe the line.
I'm not sure what these self styled idealists do now. resign?? If they have any principles they would. I've heard many times that some wouldn't work with "those" guys, so vote with your feet big mouths

[Desert Digger]

Difficult to understand why you should be embarrassed VB_Capt.
If you are a member of the scab free society, then you should be proud of the fact you hold a higher status in the big picture of life than the scabs.
Maybe you should trot up to JR's office and tell him you should have scabbed back in '89.
I imagine there will be quite a few of your VB peers looking around to see who you might be.
It is one thing to wish the outcome of '89 would have been different. Quite another to wish you had scabbed.
Not exactly a statement for which you can be proud.

[Kaptin M]

You seem pretty sure it was quote,"the Virgin Captain", wunula dreaming.
How do you know it didn't come from the Tower, a G.A. aircraft, or someone with a hand held transceiver?

VB_Capt, do you really work for Virgin Blue? You say, "I've heard many times that some wouldn't work with "those" guys, so vote with your feet big mouths", do you have the balls to tell the other VB pilots, "I am pre 89, realise I made the biggest mistake of my life not goiung back to work then."? I'll bet not - but then again I doubt that you do work in the capacity that your PPRuNe handle intimates!

[bonvol]

Yes Kap, more likely the good VB_Cap is pre 89 but is one of the new recruits. He sure sounds like one.

[Sperm Bank]

Despite the plethora of opinion either one way or the other over what happened previously, does anyone really think it is necessary to descend into that sort of garbage? What possible good can come from it? It is merely poisoning the minds of a newer generation of pilot's who weren't even flying back then.

Here we are in the 21st centuary still name calling. Brilliant! Now that is a real sign of progress. Bring on the 22nd centuary!!!!!!!

[Desert Digger]

Now SB, clearly you don't use much of the brain genetic material.
When are you and thise "youths" you are careful to protect going to understand you don't learn much unless you look at history?
It is a simple fact, son, ( I dare to imagine you are a male ), that unless pilots become UNITED, then the profession will continue down that spiral to worthlessness commenced by the shortsighted greed of the AN and TN/QF scabs.
It is indeed a sad day that VB have taken on scabs.
The brushfires so lit will pervade the outfit irresespective of Godfrey's decrees. if any.
Bright boys and girls don't allow situations to develop where they will start.

[the wizard of auz]

Strewth!!!!, More 89 CRAP, dont you idiots get sick of it????

[ur2]

Hey Kapt. Don't forget to tell everyone that YOU applied to go back to AN in January 90. and got knocked back. thats why your so p****d off.
And why would a GA pilot or even ATC say that, you seem to think they would give a s**t.

[Kaptin M]

You've been around long enough to know the game plan, oicur - instead of trying to hijack this thread, why not start one of your own.
I'm off for a couple of days as of Tuesday, so go your hardest.

"And why would a GA pilot or even ATC say that, you seem to think they would give a s**t.". Much to your amazement :uhoh: some of them do.
You see 1989 was a lot about the future direction of Australian aviation; upholding a principle; not ratting on your fellow employees for personal gain; mega-powerful, mega-wealthy individuals abusing their power; and mates sticking together, etc.

It's sad to see that some of you still don't fit in with the Australian way of life, and the doctrines we hold closest, whilst others, eg. G.A. pilots and ATCO's (for example), have long memories.

Go4it, oicur!

[tobzalp]

Aussie ATCs scatter and flee just as fast as the persons refered to above. We are just lucky that push has not yet come to shove.

[Sperm Bank]

Desert Digger thanks for the advice. I'd say my history is okay but what that has to do with name calling is beyond me. By your reckoning it would be alright to deride and sledge the Japanese, germans etc for indiscretions 50 years ago. How adult!!

I was flying well before the trouble started 14 YEARS ago and had the opportunity to join Ansett but declined. My wholesale hatred of Hawke and the double standards prevailing at the time sickened me, and my moral judgement was to stay in GA. Again this has NOTHING to do with this subject!!

A mature adult sledging another is best left for the bleaches at the MCG. How some of us calling others names helps us to unite as a group is another mystery. The fact I disagreed with these lads going back to work is irrelevant. Calling them names is NEVER going to make it better. If I have to work with some of them I certainly will not be descending to the depths you condone to help them settle in.

The KAPT made reference to the "Australian way of life". That being a fair go etc. Perhaps they don't deserve a fair go but let's get a grip on reality hey. Name calling over the radio is pathetic!

[Wizofoz]

So Kap, why DID you apply for your job back?

[Xeptu]

"Lest we Forget"

Just as we remember our fallen in war so we remember our fallen from 89.

Whilst its not acceptable to wrongly accuse anyone for such an atrocity and that should never happen. But if you know for sure, 14 years or 100 years you go right on ahead and stick the boots in and "dont you forget", because that my friend is all that prevents history from repeating itself.

[meeko]

Xeptu

You are friggin kidding !!!!


How can you compare the loss of life with a grab for a 29 % pay rise for ones self. You put my relations who DIED in the same category.


The whole 89 C#@p is such a joke !!!


Ps In 100 years not a single living human being will give a rats arse about a pathetic little incident in 1989...

[GT-R]

Except for Kaptin M of course, who is planning to clone himself and spread his gospel on 89 for centuries to come.

[Kwaj mate]

Am glad that I don't have to fly with some of you '89 w**kers.
You are still so p*ssed at the blokes who had the guts to save the nation from a union directed mob.
There was a fair share who were just bunches of lazy, yellow bellied, thieving, mob-action, pack of mongels who tried to hold this great country to ransome.
What did you gain?
Proof of your over sized egos; the need to have more assets than their colleagues next door; and, or to assume a power-play attitude with the rest of the country.
It really is too late for you pathetic excuses for ex-professionals that you were once in this industry.
You have deserved everything that you've brought on yourselves.
War?
What war. You were all so yellow-bellied that you resigned and crawled away on your collective gravel marketd guts.
There was no fight.
It was a bunch of girls cat-fighting on the side while the real issues were ignored.
Just a bunch of pathetic wooses...
Thank God the rest of the industry is run by professionals who enjoy their work; and this pathetic micro-section of mainline aviation will accept that they made a massive mistake a half-generation ago.

[The_Cutest_of_Borg]

Kwaj... you gotta stop holding it all inside mate... How bout you let us know how you REALLY feel? ... and remember the dosage..

[Spad]

Hey, Kwaj maaaate, if you’re thinking of a bit of overseas travel to ‘broaden the mind’, I know a bloke over this way who’s desperately in need of a first class spin doctor. His name is Tony Blair.

Don’t worry about sending a c.v. Just send him a copy of your last post (or should that read ‘Last Post’?) and he’ll offer you the job on the spot.

But I’d put a little work into my spell checker, oorite?



Myself, I think the majority of people who say we should put the events of 1989 behind us and forget them wish everyone would forget them.

[powerbeat12]

meeko,

99.9% of living humans today don't give a rats arse about the 89 affair. Pathetic individuals like Kapt_M and others, who obviously sit in front of their screens for hours on end writing thousands of posts filled with anger, anxiety and depression need to see a psychiatrist.....and urgently!

Anyhow, I think most of these ******s are gonna be dead pretty soon....one can imagine whats going on inside them health wise....and I don't think its pleasant. They will all be plagued by stress induced cancers before too long..........cant wait !

pb

ps....i'm what they call a scab.....and loving it :O :p :D

[Xeptu]

Well for those that take their working conditions for granted or have no clue as to how they came about, had better start taking an interest, particularly if you happen to work for the rat.
Dicky has just employed the services of Theo and his team, for those that dont remember him he is merciless and leaves an awesome trail of distruction in his path and he gets you do it to yourselves.
His mission is simply more work for less. He'll have you working for nothing in no time, and the s***s will be no match for him. Then we'll see just how professional you are. :p goodluck

[Xeptu]

I suppose I should qualify that post. The gauntlet has already been thrown down, you only need to read dickies statement to all staff, when he writes "we" he is really saying "you" now how will it be done.

Firstly the great Theo and his team work on the principle of divide and conquer, in every company there are two camps and in each camp there is a left and right wing. Theo and his team will quickly identify these groups and set up working committees within them and the all important, isolate them from the other groups.

Unfortunately what you wont know is that he will be presenting very different things to each group, the only thing that will be common between all 4 groups is that "this is all good stuff and we are going in the right direction" you wont see the deception until the very end when the war breaks out between the 4 groups. Thats when the company steps in to save the day by presenting a proposal thats acceptable to all 4 groups which will be nothing like what any of the groups have been working towards.

This process will take 18 to 24 months, so in the year 2005 when your all working 14 hrs a day and away from home 28 in 30 days on half the pay, you will all be left scratching your arses and asking the question "how did this happen" it will be exciting to see it unfold, who you can trust and who you cant, who is professional and who isnt. "That is how 89 happened" The statements I have read on this thread tell me you are ripe for the picking, the outcome is already determined.

[Sooty]

Xeptu

you wrote

' "Lest we Forget" Just as we remember our fallen in war so we remember our fallen from 89.'

Quite an ironic statement.

Did you ever look at the increase in road statistics during that time. People who died on the roads as a result of your dispute.

You are right, some people will never forget.

[Kaptin M]

Yeah right. sooty.
And think how the road toll has been affected by Ansett shutting down too!

Lucky Virgin Blue was there to come to the rescue!

But look on the bright side - think how many birds, grasshoppers, moths, and other bugs have been spared!!

[Sperm Bank]

Xeptu I think it will be interesting to sit back in 5 years and see how it all pans out. The tight fisted war lords will undoubtably have a fair dinkum go at pilot's across the board. However you can't expect young pilots to have any comprehension of that just yet. Young people can't be told anything and I was no different. They like the rest of us have to learn from experience. Australia's first major hull loss will focus the microscope on wages and conditions and the type and quality of pilot we have. As the money keeps getting worse, so too will the calibre of pilot's in this country I believe.

I look forward to witnessing these beancounter clowns being cross examined in the courts with how they justified the deplorable conditions. The blood will be on their hands and theirs alone!

[Sooty]

Kaptin M

Again ........ 'So Kap, why DID you apply for your job back?'
You still haven't answered that???



But with regard to your last comment

I think it has become safer.

Cheaper airfairs, less people on the roads.

We're catching up with the rest of the world.

Before I would have driven the 1000 k's, but now I can fly!!!

And you are right. we have saved the wildlife on the roads.:ok:

[oicur12]

thinking about the dispute - a bit passe but fill your boots.

Talking about it like anyone cares - sick.

Trotting out the old scablist 14 YEARS later - absolutely twisted.

GET A LIFE MATE.

[VB_Capt]

Yes I do work for Virgin Kaptain. My thoughts are well known to quite a few colleaguesd. Therea re a number who think the same way and we wouldn't bother telling the chief pilot. Why put your head in the lios gob if not necessary. But what could hed o anyway
There will be more outing themselves now that the airline is emplying those horrible people. I bet there are no resignations from the guys who said they would never work with scabs. Very principled.
Get over it. It's 14 years ago this month. Or is it next month.

[Kaptin M]

VB_Capt, I was going to have a dig at you by saying something along the lines of, "Your dismal spelling is overshadowed only by your superficial lack of comprehension!" - however I'll refrain from that, being the nice guy that I am :O
RTFQ.

What I wrote was, "I doubt that you do work in the capacity that your PPRuNe handle intimates!".


"I bet there are no resignations from the guys who said they would never work with scabs."
To the best of my recollection, no-one in my hearing EVER made that statement.
It was the scabs - under the Ansett Pilots' Association leadership of one, Dick Marman - who publically stated that the scabs could NEVER work with the non-scabs, based on SAFETY.
As a matter of fact, several 1989 dispute pilots (myself included) flew with some Continental scabs during our tenure with Singapore Airlines.

If indeed you do insist that you are a Captain with VB, VB_Capt, - an ex-89'er who did not scab, but feels that he was misled by the AFAP - why are you back for a second dose, working for a company that was formed on the basis of suggestions floated to Mr Godfrey by a couple of ex-89'ers, whose Chief Pilot is well known to anyone with a remote knowledge of the Federation leadership at the time, and with a backbone of 1989 ex-Dispute pilots?
VOLUNTARILY working back in an environment with people you believe are responsible for your miserable life.
Are you a masochist or sadist, VB_Captain? "Whip me....please whip me Noooo - later..........perhaps
And to then further flaunt it here on PPRuNe - you OBVIOUSLY enjoy it! :{

But it COULD be worse - you COULD have scabbed, and now 14 years after the "event" NOW be looking at having to relocate overseas to find work, instead of being fortunate enough to be back living, and FLYING in Australia!
(Or wondering WHO was responsible for a "scab" call...was it another airline, commuter, or G.A. pilot...or an ATCO....or someone with a transceiver?).

The playing field has been lowered, raised, and re-levelled over the past 14 years - the ball has been kicked around - the goal posts changed. Many of the players swapped team shirts to play away games before returning home, whilst others have been sent off for foul play.
It may well have been 14 years ago (this month), OICUR and VB_Cpt, however nothing, and no-one stood still and remained static during that period!

Many of those (non-scab 1989) pilots whom you have been telling, "GET A LIFE MATE." have succeeded in doing precisely that.
It is you lot that now need to "GET A LIFE MATE."!! :p

[Boney]

As always Kaptain M, brilliant post

[Pinky the pilot]

With due respect to all whom have posted on this thread.
Gentlemen; Do you not think that it is time that we all started to hang together, for if we do not then we shall surely hang seperately!
Just a thought......


You only live twice. Once when
you're born. Once when
you've looked death in the face.

[mmmbop]

'Lucky Virgin Blue was there to come to the rescue!' Just remember KAPT M, VB was about to go broke and out of business THE VERY WEEK that Ansett collapsed. It was simply a case of who went first..... had Ansett held out one more week it would have been VB that disappeared, never to be heard from again.

Your memory is interesting....you remember something from 14 years ago that NOBODY gives a rat's ass about today, yet you seem to forget that just 2 years ago it was VB that was lucky, not the Australian public - or the Australian airline worker for that matter. VB pilots and FAs get shafted, while it appears that its good old Dicky B lining his pockets AT THEIR EXPENSE!!!

[Xeptu]

Yes! SB I agree with you somehow the fools think it was all just an insignificant incident that happened years ago. Not realising for a minute that the world has change so significantly as a result of that insignificant event. The thrust of what I was trying to emphasis is not so much the event, but the lessons to learn from that event.

CAO 48 remember "the law", so few work to it today, such that it will be removed from the regs this year and be left up to the operator to determine what fatigue is. It wont even be a defence.

The industrial battle that looms before QF will no doubt trigger an event that will truly make 89 "insignificant"

Perhaps they should just offer a 30% pay cut and save themselves the grief.

[Spad]

Gentlemen; Do you not think that it is time that we all started to hang together, for if we do not then we shall surely hang seperately!Pinky, you’re showing your total ignorance of the facts of 89 with that comment. It is precisely because the people many now call ‘heroes’ could not or would not “hang together” that so many in Australian Aviation have been “hung separately” since then.

The main reason so many who were involved in the events of 1989 and who did “hang together” (in both senses of the phrase!) would prefer not to work alongside these people has something to do with leopards and spots. If that’s too cryptic for you – for whatever reason, be it a weak spine or base self interest, those people have proven quite clearly they can’t be trusted to stick to an agreed plan of action. Most believe that if push ever came to shove again, they would do something similar again.

mmmbop tell Kaptain M…you remember something from 14 years ago that NOBODY gives a rat's ass about today, Sorry, mmmbop and oicur12, as much as you’d like everyone to forget 1989, it’s simply not going to happen, and for more people than you’d like to believe.

The AFAP was not without its faults, and anyone who asserts the union didn’t need to change some of its practices has a very selective memory. The contract was an overcomplicated disaster – and that was widely felt by many in the pilot group well before 1989. In particular, the union should have accepted that the companies should have been allowed to dismiss the small number of pilots who were not maintaining standards. With hindsight, it would have been in the union’s best interests had it done so, because in too many cases, it was this group, knowing they’d never get a job on what be called a level playing field overseas, who were among the first to scab.

Xeptu, I agree with you – 1989 was many things, but for Australian Aviation and more particularly, Australian aviators, it was anything but “insignificant”. Look at the sweat shop conditions too many ‘enjoy’ today, especially in G.A., that would never have been allowed to continue or become so widespread with a strong aviation-based union in place.

[Ghost_Who_Walks]

Hey VB_Capt…..We’ve got a lot in common.

I’m a scab and, like you I’m disgusted with myself for something I did 14 years ago too. I too made the biggest mistake of my life, but it was for the opposite reason.

I’ve had countless sleepless nights since then thinking about my miserable act of treachery. The scores of friends who will no longer talk to me or my family are lost forever.

I thought I was one of the smartest guys around at the time – I got my job back, a huge payrise, and a 737 command within months of going back! Never in my wildest dreams could I have imagined I could be presented with such an opportunity.

But the gloss soon wore off as the reality set in. Long term friends did not respond to my entreaties to “let bygones be bygones” and I just could not shake the recurring guilt about all the former friends whose careers I had contributed to trashing.

However, as terrible as I feel about my treacherous act in ’89, the one thing I can feel good about is knowing that I helped save Ansett.

(I DO believe you’re not a scab VB_Capt!)

[ur2]

Sooty,
Kapt won't visit that little chessnut !

[mmmbop]

Spad,

The problem with this mode of communication is that the intended tone of a message can be lost when reading. I agree, I agree, I agree! My 'don't give a rat's' comment should be read as one of frustration, not literally.

Hopefully most of us have enough of an interest to have dissected what occured in 89 and learnt from it. Hopefully. But people getting on here and bleating about 'scabs' and the like would tend to indicate otherwise. 'Fools' in my book are those people who are incapable of moving on. All of the agression they have on this subject is focussed in the wrong direction - Attacking people on a forum such as this does nothing but justify their perceived wrongdoings in their mind. What a pity they couldn't use all the energy to a positive cause.

[Pinky the pilot]

Spad; I was trying to make a point that with all due respect I think you missed. However, mmmbop's latest post has imho made the intention of my post much clearer.



You only live twice. Once when
you're born. Once when
you've looked death in the face.

[ur2]

Ghost, Who, Walks.
You don't fool anyone. What a crock !

[Kaptin M]

VB was about to go broke and out of business THE VERY WEEK that Ansett collapsed. First I've heard of that one, mmmbop. You're probably confusing it with the Compass scandal, when Ansett was 2 weeks off going under (my source - David Jull, MHR).

had Ansett held out one more week.... Ansett was well past its expiry date when it collapsed. Pillaged and raped from within.

you seem to forget that just 2 years ago it was VB that was lucky, not the Australian public I doubt that too many of the Australian public would agree with you there, mmmbop - well of those who give a rat's...which would be a minutely infinitesimal percentage in any case.
Virgin Blue have had a dramatic impact on airfares in Australia - had Ansett still been there instead of VB, it would just have been more of the same....high airfares with the occasional "specials", flying clapped out pieces of under-maintained, aged aircraft.

VB pilots and FAs get shaftedWith plenty more queueing up, waiting for THEIR turn!

But people getting on here and bleating about 'scabs' Nobody is "bleating" about scabs. Quite simply 1989 was - to quote James Strong - a "watershed" for Australian aviation. The dispute created 2 classifications of pilots - the scabs, and everybody else.
Those scabs were a relatively small number then (about 22% of the original airline pilot group), and are an even smaller group today when included in the TOTAL Australian commercial pilot population, and so the definitive term makes them easily identifiable.
As derogatory as some people may find the word, they willingly chose it at the time when they felt they could only benefit from embracing all that it represented.

All of the agression they have on this subject.. Methinks you're confusing "aggression" with "animated discussion/debate". Everyone involved then has "moved on", however there is a recurring lesson from 1989, whether it involves pilots, pastrycooks, or your own family.
You can't expect to sh!t on people in a big way, and then expect them to welcome you back.

That small group (the scabs) who sh@t on the rest and - by the way - who steadfastly REFUSED to let any of the other "cleanskins" back into Oz aviation for the whole of Ansett's life after 1989...some 12 years... are those who proved over an extended period, that they were "incapable of moving on", and are NOW the ones bleating.

[OAT Letdown]

Get over it. Its so f#"*&@&%ing boring.

[cunninglinguist]

For those of you that say " get over it ", " it was 14 years ago " etc., if a friend or friends bent you over and gave you a right royal rogering and then the next day you went and had a beer with them................ you really are a sad, pathetic, loser with absolutlety no self respect or concept of loyalty.

[GT-R]

Yeh, next day, not 5,100 + days later you lahooza.

[meanestman]

We all like to think we're in the bracket of the "professional". In fact, just in another thread I see we're being compared to doctors..?
You dont have to look nor read too far or deeply into some of the completely inane, dull, childish, hopelessly pathetic dribble that comes out of the likes of some of these "professionals" that makes it no wonder to me, why the industry is taking a dive.

Page after page of rubbish on this "forum", perpertrated by individuals (pilots) who are obviously devoid of any other interest nor hobby.
So much time and effort into publicy humiliating and embarrasing us as a group (so much colour and italics even). Sadly, they're under the impression their soapbox spiel of perpetual rot sounds intelligent and interesting, I almost feel sorry for them.

To try and justify this simplistic and stupid remark over the airwaves, not only says, "there's more of us morons out here" to the world, but exposes the infantile mindset for what it is. People with mental issues I suspect.

KM, buy a surfboard.............jeezus :hmm:

[Ghost_Who_Walks]

By the look of your post it would appear that I fooled you UR2!

Apparently I need to spell it out to the likes of you - I'm as much a scab as VB_Capt is a non-scab!

Can anyone point me to a genuine post from a scab where he/she expresses even a miniscule amount of regret for his/her actions in ’89? We’ve got the VB_Capt type scabs pretending not to be, and attempting to justify his unconscionable actions, and I’ve no doubt there are more than a few non-scabs who wished they’d scabbed and avoided the trauma of our post ’89 life, but I’ve NEVER EVER seen even a single word of apology or regret from a scab.

After 14 years I could probably even have a beer with a guy who approached me in a genuine effort to bury the hatchet, but not if he greeted me with a “G’day mate – I know you did the honourable thing, but I’m prepared to forget all that and be friends again.”

So – any scabs have even the slightest regret? Any scab ever wished he didn’t? Ever apologised to one of your former friends?

Didn’t think so!

[amos2]

Well, I gotta agree with you, meanman!...

lots of rubbish appears on this website!...

like, your post for instance!!

[meanestman]

Ive noted your remarkable contributions over time too amos.

[Kaptin M]

3 posts, meanestman - all of them written with an air of "superiority", eg, the post from one of the other forums:
do you honestly think doctors would have a forum for pillocks like this, where you expose yourselves as the epitomy of the boring and self indulged. I laugh when pilots compare themselves to doctors and alike.
You blokes really do revolve around the same door, topic after topic... and publicy air some really dopey sounding cr ap.
(There's that colour, and the italics, even!)

We don't need to put on the airs and graces that YOU seem to think we should, by pretending to be something we aren't.

This is a pilots' forum - if you can't help yourself from reading "Page after page of rubbish", then seek some professional help from within your own ranks.
The topics discussed here are relevant to aviation, be it past present, or future. If it doesn't suit you, then I suggest you move on, mm.

[meanestman]

Me?? pretencious?.....................moi???

And KM, Im a pilot, not a doctor. Tripe the type you guys air so relentlessly makes it hard to feel proud of it sometimes.
I find solace in the fact that Im conviced youre in the minority.

Continue beating yourselves into a frenzy over something everyone else has long forgotten. As for the infantile comment made on the radio, it is simply the act of a moron, embarrasing for us all, and somewhat lacking in courage too.

[Desert Digger]

You stupid boys and girls!
Scabs are heroes and heroes are scabs.
End of story.
No scab apoligises for being a scab - the missus would not allow it.
The days of the professional pilot are numbered, and soon you will all be relegated to coming to work in navy blue singlets, thongs, and a handkerchief tied around your head.
And all thanks to the scabs and heroes of '89.
So for you idiots who want to bleat "get over it", it will be you, undoubtedly the youthful pilots of today, who will pay a higher price professionally, than anyone who can claim to be an '89er.

[Woomera]

Times up, children.

*click*