When does training start/end?

[boffo]

Scenario: You are an instructor, with a student in his aircraft/helicopter. You leave your home airfield (licensed) on a NavEx to another field (licensed).
On the way home, your student says "Hey, look, that's my friend's (unlicensed) private strip. Can we pop in and pay a visit?". He's not allowed to land there, because he's not qualified. Can you take over, land, take off again and resume the training flight?

Assume, for the sake of argument that the strip is plenty big enough, good surface etc., permission to land has been given, that fuel and weather considerations are fine.

At what point does the training cease, and the private jolly begin?
At what point does training recommence (if it does)?

Opinions?

Boffo.

[Tinstaafl]

Land. Oz isn't hobbled by that stupid rule.

[tacpot]

I would say that the training would have to end at 500 foot above ground level, as to go below that height would imply you were going to land, somethign that the student may not do. Until you get down to 500 feet, you could be practising low level circuits or PFLs. Similarly for the take off, the 'training' could resume at 501 feet AGL if you wanted.

[RodgerF]

See this thread

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=93841


RF

[boffo]

RodgerF: Thanks, most illuminating.

Boffo

[StrateandLevel]

Art 101 states that a training flight shall not take off or land at an aerodrome other than a licensed aerodrome or a government aerodrome.

If you opt to land at a unlicenced strip, then technically, the training flight did not begin so there is little point debating where it ended.

If you log it, it won't count for licence issue.

I think most people would simply not log the intermediate landing.

[BigEndBob]

Surely the reason why training flights cannot take place at a private/unlicensed strip is to prevent students being exposed to marginal airfield environments.

Once qualified they can do what ever they like.

As for the instructor taking over for the landing, you are still exposing your student to possible dangers they may be unaware of.

When you go airside you have a duty of care based on your greater experience of what dangers may exist.

Flying is about reducing risk and covering your ASS!.

[boffo]

When I did my PPL(H) we sometimes popped over to a friendly local scrap metal dealer, who happened to have a field adjacent to his property, with some reasonably high trees surrounding it. He had given permission for us to land, so we did all manner of approaches to the field from different directions. On arrival we had to practice sloping ground landings, turns around the tail rotor, towering take-offs and all that good stuff. Are we saying that that was all illegal if we touched the skids?


Boffo

[Up & Away]

You are getting too close to a Mine-Field!!

In thre old days we practiced out on CAA approved confined area traing sites.
Now its all about staying on the airfield and using your imagination!!