Do Airlines In Oz And Enzed Hire Non-ozzies?

[richie-rich]

hey
was wondering if you guys have colleagues who are originally non-ozzies or non-kiwi, but have got their residecenship and are employed in various airlines. i wanna try my luck in this part of the world upon completion of my flight training and uni soon.

thanx
Richie

[redsnail]

Yes they do.
You'll find them in Qantas, Qantaslink, Virgin Blue, National Jet and other areas too.
I personally know of quite a few pilots in the first three companies that were not born in Australia.

[Keg]

Unfortunately though, airlines in Australia aren't hiring ANYONE at the moment- Aussies or not! :(

[Nolights-essential3]

......well I know for a fact that Air New Zealand 'will never employ an Australian for the flight-deck'.
Never has, never will!
A very good example of the lovely attitude of the Kiwi .... mindful that there are pleaty of Kiwoks smugly polling Aussie jets

[elektra]

Didn't some overseas pilots get visas fairly readily a few years ago? Was that a one-off or is the "Open Door" policya fixture?

If those pilots are still in Australia maybe the government should reconsider their status (perhaps intern them for a while as economic refugees-is the Port Hedland camp still open?) to allow home-grown pilots a few additional jobs.

[Nolights-essential3]

Good one, Electra!
....but weren't most of them yanks?!.
Johnny Brownnose wont upset our Uncle though .....

Notwithstanding, Aussies cant get any recip. arrangments there either.....

Look, I think it's a beautiful thing to share our seats with the world ....and with all our unemployment too ....but the other children just don't wanna share their toys with us.

[Hachiouji-shi]

How about Asians, any asians working for QF as a flight crew?

[CaptCaveman]

Nolights-essentail3

I think you'll find that Air NZ do have at least 1 "Ozzie" from Oz on the flight deck. Ozzie is a WA boy(Kiwi dad) that was in Darwin in the '80s; last heard of living in Christchurch; I belive he's still with them.

[Sly'n Smiley]

Dunno about QF Hachiouji, but AN used to employ a Philipino Captain on the A320. If you have rights to permanent Australian residency, there shouldn't be a problem.

[kava_crew]

Do they hire black pilots in these Airlines if they were born their and would love to come and work in OZ. Do Qantas hire black flight crew???

[Draven]

Hi ,

I wouldnt think that the colour of the skin would be an issue while recruiting for any airline for that matter.

Safe Flying
JP

Draven <---> Flying Kangaroo

[cjam]

What about a brown pilot from Orange who's favourite colour is blue? Could I ever get work with an ausi airline?

[Pimp Daddy]

What about a brown pilot from Orange who's favourite colour is blue? Could I ever get work with an ausi airline?

Nope, sorry, only orange pilots from Blue who's favourite colour is brown.

[Yusef Danet]

News flash:

John Travolta dumps both Scientology and Qantas in favour of Branson's new blander carrier, Virgin Beige. Colourless characters only need apply.

[cjam]

I have a 1982 kiwi cricket team tracksuit that is beige, I like to wear it of an evening and this has resulted in me remaining a virgin, surely I'll get this job.

[nzer]

'Nolights essential3" - Your claim to "know for a fact" that ANZ never has/never will hire an Australian for the Flight Deck is bad enough in that it is plain wrong, but it is worse that you use this as an excuse to bad mouth ANZ and Kiwis. FACT ! - x 4 767 F/O's, x 1 767 Captain born in Australia, x1 737 F/O, and contract Aussie SIM Instructors for the B737, A320, and formerly for the B744 - steady ongoing hiring at the moment and any appropriately qualified Australians (with the chip removed) will be considered on their merits.

Ignorant and provactive posts like yours however don't help the case for your fine nation's pilots in obtaining employment outside Australia - did you get turned down?

[stillalbatross]

Air NZ have taken a few South Africans who had been in the country all of 5 minutes too. I've mentioned it before but it is more endemic of the backwards nature of recruitment in Air NZ. But then, any kiwi who goes overseas and flies 737s or regional jets and then tries to return is branded some kind of traitor. Look at the Air Nelson requirements, off your 737 command you'd have to do a year flying GA in a Chieftain before you have really earned your wings and can grace the right seat of a Saab with youre presence. How does that work?

[nzer]

STILL ALBATROSS - Airline hiring in general is more about who you are/the sort of person you are than about your hours and how/where/on what type you acquired them, by-enlarge. Someone who has acquired Jet Command time but who is an a.s.h.l.e is likely to be passed over by a "good sort" of guy/gal who has shown a bit of dedication and hard work in GA, even if no jet time etc -

[stillalbatross]

Ok nzer, explain why Air NZ gave interviews to all the out of work Ansett NZ pilots when plenty of them didn't have CV's in with Air NZ and didn't want a job with them and didn't meet the minimum requirements. And yet Air Nelson had a big bunch of guys that had minimum 2-4000 hours on Saabs and met all other requirements and didn't get a chance as a result.

[nzer]

Still Albatross - As to your first assertion, ie :

"......Air NZ gave interviews to all the out of work Ansett NZ pilots when plenty of them didn't have CV's in with Air NZ and didn't want a job with them and didn't meet the minimum requirements....."

This is just outright incorrect, in respect of every particular...

Interviews were NOT given to ALL "out of work Ansett NZ pilots".

The only avenue by which an interview can be obtained is via CV/Application.

Whether people wanted jobs with ANZ or not is conjecture and unverifiable in fact.

"..and didn't meet the minimum requirements".

I doubt that many of the "out of work Ansett NZ pilots" did not have 1500 hours and an ATPL/all ATPL subjects - although it is remotely possible.



"And yet Air Nelson had a big bunch of guys that had minimum 2-4000 hours on Saabs and met all other requirements and didn't get a chance as a result"

The "and yet" implies you see a causal connection between your asertions about Ansett NZ pilots and hring with Air NSN - which I am not able to detect - however, se my previous post regarding hours v suitability. One does not necessarily mean the other.

[stillalbatross]

I stand by my post. Forget the flying experience, I know of at least 3 that didn't have the minimum requirements regarding education. The same requirements that prevent some Eagle and Air Nelson people from getting an interview with Air NZ. And it doesn't make sense to say that there is no advantage in being employed by an Air NZ feeder in the first place. Normal airlines the world over with half a brain attempt to recruit from within.

If you remember at the time of Qantas NZ going broke Air NZ made a big thing of giving interviews to those now out of work. My point is that the recruitment appears mickey mouse when they hoist a bunch of requirements and then drop them at a moments notice. And those at Air NSN and Eagle want jobs with Air NZ - that's why many of the joined the regionals in the first place. I am sure if someone at Air NZ said "I know it's arse about face but join Qantas because thats where we'll be recruiting from" many more would have done so.

[Nolights-essential3]

Sorry.....been away for a awhile.

....now, what are you whining about NZER?
OK, so if what you say is true, then I stand corrected, sorry.
...and I'm also sorry that you feel the need to slag off at me, when my post certainly wasn't either anti-KIWOK or anti-Oz, for that matter, just a shot at as*-kissing practices.
....and I'm also sorry that you are so angry. Can I get you an asprin or something, little fella, mmmmmm?

[Beech Boy]

A well balanced Aviation Industry has a chip off both shoulders???. I believe that this is a well demonstrated sentiment by the posts I have read here.:yuk: Can't wait for the Rugby World Cup!!!

[richie-rich]

AAh yes.....mmmmmmmmm.....thanks guys for your feedback. its encouraging to learn that ozzie airlines do hire non-ozzie pilots afterall. I never doubted that in regards to racism or anything, but was just curious as to what the % of non-ozzie pilots you have flying with you all.

Just tell me this. Do you get to fly with crews whose background are Indian, Pakistani, Bangladeshi and all?

Richie

[Luke SkyToddler]

The last time I rode in an Air NZ jumpseat as a young wannabe many years ago, I distinctly recall that the capt was American and the FO was Mexican!

[Hap Hazard]

Im black, ex AN and once visited NZ, where do I sign?:}

[richie-rich]

Someone frm QF flightdeck.....why dont you please answer my question as to having indian colleagues as flight crews?

Really wanna know that. :ok:

Richie
(p:s- naa, i aint Indian, but Bangladeshi)