Chinese leader's plane 'bugged'

[Durango Kid]

Poor Yanks, they still seem to suffer from paranoya...! What a blow...!

<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/asia-pacific/newsid_1769000/1769642.stm" target="_blank">News from BBC</a>

DK

[Unwell_Raptor]

If the CIA did not try to bug it, they should have been fired.

That's what we pay spooks for, isn't it?

They may have been found out this time, but there have been plenty of times when top quality intelligence has kept the folks on our side ahead of the game.

Keep it up guys!


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[747FOCAL]

Everybody that ever bought an executive jet from Boeing is probably having them scanned right now.

[gofer]

I thought it was standard equipment, at least for those classes above or in front of cattle-class at the-back-of-the-bus.

My detector tells me that at least 2 european airlines have something running at least - or can anybody from France or Germany confirm that that is a lie for their national airlines ?

Best place to fish for info - up there.

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Don't forget ALL intenational phones are recorded and scanned - so what happens with in internet messages - grow up, of course they are.

[cactusbusdrvr]

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they are not out to get you.

[Paterbrat]

How nice to live is such a safe wooly little world Durango Kid.

[Durango Kid]

Well Paterbrat,

no matter who's right or wrong in this case, the US made a fool out of themselves.

I wonder why these news just surfaced now, and not at the time the bugs were discovered. Perhaps some US "diplomatic magic" failed this time.

DK

[Roadtrip]

SHOCKING!!!

Sounds to me like the Chinese put the bugs there themselves, then blames the US for planting them. People without critical thinking skills (and there's A LOT of them) buy the story on face value. The Chinese put the US on a PR defensive, and get the US to concede to Chinese demands on other issue - human rights, trade, Taiwan, etc.

1. If the Chinese buy a jetliner from us, they are as a matter of security, going to sweep the plane, nose to tail for any bugs, right??? We know this, the Chinese knows this. They make their people live in the 12th century, but the leadership sure has a security apparatus par excellance.

2. They "find" bugs in obvious and clumsy places like bed headboards etc. Please.

3. Or MAYBE, some were put in clumsy places to make them think they found them all, when the real ones are undectectable?

Maybe the Chinese should build their own aircraft -- they seem capable of building nuclear weapons and long range missiles.

Bottom line. It's doesn't mean a friggin' thing - just a BS story played up by the news media.

[bugg smasher]

According to news reports, the aircraft left the Boeing factory “green”, and proceeded to a third-party contractor for installation of the interior. Chinese security personnel scrutinized every phase of the installation. Seems to me this is strictly an internal Chinese problem, apparently they have already arrested dozens of their own people.

[honchun]

Roadtrip:

This incident happened almost 3 months ago and If the Chinese what to make an issue of it they would've done it at that time. What happened was that the story was first leaked out by western diplomats to the media and THEN the Chinese 'unoffically' commented. China and the US have NEVER made any offical comments.

Also I wouldn't be too surprised if the presidental plane of Japan and Taiwan (Both Boeings) were bugged by the US. It's a routine procedure that the public (And us) should not be taken too seriously.

[innuendo]

Could any body with technical knowledge give an idea how the data picked up from these sensors would be down loaded to the spooks? Presumably the data has to be stored somewhere in some onboard electronics and retrieved some how.
Could it be piggybacked, say on engine data or some other system parameters, and transmitted via ACARS to be stripped and sent elsewhere. Sounds like very hi tech cloak and dagger stuff but I would presume not impossible.
Ah soooooooo, always wonder what that black box was!!!!!

[Paterbrat]

Sorry Kid, right or wrong??? ,the only one whose looking foolish is you.

[Kerosene Kraut]

"Connexion by Boeing" :)

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[gaunty]

Apparently business as usual, our press reporting techs sent to monitor the refit for this very thing arrested and a $20million discrepancy reported between what was charged and what was paid.. .Probably arrested because they didn't share it with the right people.

[firehorse]

Guys n' Gals,

I think Roadtrip has hit the nail on the head, as of this morning there is still nothing in any of the major Chinese newspapers over here (then again thay are state run and censored......)

FT.

[Mert]

I remember thinking how ironic it was that the Chineese were not only buying the 767 these days, but having it outfitted here as well.. .By the way Durango Kid, if you would like to purchase audio tapes of some Chineese dude snoring and s#!ting ( well...that is the most likely thing you'll hear from those bugs mentioned ) send a self addressed stamped envelope to the US Govt. printing office Pueblo CO blah blah blah blah blah!

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[Durango Kid]

Well well well, some of you guys seem to suffer from a blind loyalty towards your country - can't really blame you though, I would probably have done the same thing, if it would have been my countryfellowmen who made a fool out of themselves. BTW, They do that often, but nothing to do with spying though! <img src="wink.gif" border="0">

However, the spying business is most likely done by different governments widespread througout the world, I don't know, and I don't care - but being caught with your pants down is certaintly embarrasing for the US no matter what, as it would have been for any other government being caught pants down!! <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0">

Roadtrip: [quote]People without critical thinking skills (and there's A LOT of them) buy the story on face value. <hr></blockquote> - I rate people with irrational imagination at just about the same level!

DK

[MachOverspeed]

Durango-

All governments spy. On other governments. On industries. On their own people. Nothing new about that. Please refer to "The Gallic Campaigns" by Julius Caesar", and "The Art of War" by Sun Tzu.

My personal feeling is that I'm glad we did it, if it was in fact "us" and not some corporate interest, or maybe the Peoples Army, or some other internal faction. If "we" weren't responsible for the bugs, then whoever should have put them in the plane needs to be pink-slipped. If "we" did do it, then whoever put them where they could be found should be pink-slipped as well.

I wonder, had Neville Chamberlain been able to bug Hitler's plane, would he have waved that stupid piece of paper around for the cameras and declared "peace in our time"?

Would you have?

[George Semel]

Nope I don't but it for a second, When the NSA can listen to cell phone converstations. They can listen to that Chicom too. Its pure bull so they could have something to bitch about. NSA listens to everything. You would not belive what they are able to do, Cell phone's hell they been able to do that for at least 10 years. Gee if we really wanted to bug that airplane, they would have done it much more professional than what has been reported. Then again it could have been all a prank to play with there heads. They are most likly ripping that airplane to junk. I just love this stuff. May be it was just a little pay back.

[KIFIS]

To All:

The Government of the People Republic of China made a mistake when they decided to buy that Boeing. None of this would have happened if they had bought French and you can rest assured they (the Chinese) will remember this and the Ep-3 episode for a long time to come. In the long run it will cost you hand on chest lot zillions.

KIFIS

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[firehorse]

Its certainly not the first Boeing the Chinese military have as in 2000 the Chinese air force purchased 10 Boeing 737-300's (currently being used as military transports)through China United Airlines. China United Airlines (CUA) is China's version of Air America. Boeing or Airbus I don't really care, any Western aircraft is better than some of the clangers flying around Chinese airspace.

KIFIS - Suggest you read the P3 pilot's transcripts ref the Hainan Is incident before passing judgment there, touchy subject for many people. Also you can't blame the Chinese for wanting to buy the Boeing as it was indirectly a great compliment for the US (no I'm not a US citizen), entrusting the safety of the countries leaders to US technology. And seriously you have to ask yourself even if sometimes the US can do some pretty Dilbert things (i.e was that meters or was that feet, oops send another mars lander...) they are pretty s..t hot when it comes to techo stuff and wouldn't have bungled the job as bad as that. On the other hand I work daily side by side with some of China's "finest" technicians and believe me that handiwork on the 767 reminds me of what I see over here sometimes.

Bottom line? you seem to be baiting folk with your thread(s) and people are rising to the fly as well by the look of it.

Food for thought did you know that all of the plastic Xmas trees that grace the halls of the Whitehouse are made in China about 30kms from Hong Kong? wonder if they hum when they are turned on.......



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[Check 6]

KIFIS is only ASSUMING this was done by the U.S. How about Taiwan?

[Paterbrat]

KIFIS has distiguished himself in a number of threads by his blind singleminded dedication to the Chinese cause. His anti-US and pro-Chinese stance is automatic and bears no rational relationship to the particular circumstance.

[casual observer]

I can understand the anti-US sentiments. However, in this case, the Chinese government has kept a relatively low profile in the diplomatic front. It seems the emphasis here is on the investigation of the Chinese officials who arranged the deal for possible corruption. China is not known to appease the US. If they don't make too much a fuss, I don't know why some of you should.

[flyaustralia]

Anyway, it's all finished. China's government has been given the jet to Air China as a passenger jet.

By the way, I totally disagree with some people who said that Chinese people are still living in 12th century or something like that, although it is true that a lot places in China are now still un-developed, but it is also true that China's government has been tried hard to improve their people's living standard.

Additionally, if you have been to some cities like Beijing, Shanghai, Shenzhen, Guangzhou etc, you will see that a lot of western countries are nowhere better than those Chinese cities I've just mentioned.

[Robert Cooper]

I'm just amazed that it took them so long to find out ;)

BC

[Thomas Doubting]

flyaustralia, are you also lingam from CARNOC?;)

[Thomas Doubting]

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[flyaustralia]

Thomas Doubting, before you say something, please make sure you clearly know what you are talking about and also the truth.

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Another thing is that I'm not lingam from CARNOC, but I'm another administrator from CARNOC.